RMR (RMR) Q3 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

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DATE

Thursday, Aug. 6, 2026, at 11 a.m. ET

CALL PARTICIPANTS

• President and Chief Executive Officer - Adam David Portnoy
• Chief Operating Officer - Matthew Paul Jordan
• Chief Financial Officer - Matthew C. Brown
• Senior Vice President - Bryan Anthony Maher

TAKEAWAYS

• Distributable Earnings -- $0.48 per share, meeting management's guidance and internal expectations for the quarter.
• Adjusted EBITDA -- $19.7 million, reflecting the company's performance amidst broad economic and geopolitical uncertainty.
• Recurring Service Revenues -- $45.5 million, a sequential increase of $3.5 million driven by managed REIT enterprise values and acquisition fees from the Greenwich joint venture.
• Calendar 2026 Incentive Fees -- $40 million, with management noting that DHC and ILPT are on pace to generate these fees based on significant outperformance.
• DHC SHOP NOI Growth -- 37%, supported by demographic demand and operational improvements following the transition of 116 communities to new operators.
• DHC SHOP Margins -- 17.3%, representing a 390 basis point improvement over last year.
• ILPT Leasing Activity -- 5.4 million square feet, representing a record volume of leasing for the entity during the third quarter.
• ILPT Rent Roll Up -- 35% or more, marking the seventh consecutive quarter that the REIT achieved double-digit rent growth.
• SVC RevPAR -- 6.6% increase, reflecting initial benefits from nearly $650 million in capital improvements made over the last three years.
• SVC Hotel EBITDA Growth -- 4.2%, driven by performance improvements in the retained hotel portfolio.
• Private Capital AUM -- $12 billion, which has grown from nearly zero in 2020 through strategic expansion.
• Greenwich JV Acquisition -- $350 million, a multifamily acquisition where RMR retains a 5% general partner interest alongside new institutional investors.
• OPI Business Management Fee -- $14 million per year, fixed for the first two years of a new five-year management term following the REIT's emergence from bankruptcy.
• Total Liquidity -- $130 million, including $55 million in cash and $75 million in available capacity on the revolving credit facility.
• Full Year Adjusted EBITDA Guidance -- $76.5 million to $78.5 million, which excludes potential incentive fees from calendar 2025 and 2026.
• Q4 Adjusted EBITDA Guidance -- $19 million to $21 million, assuming recurring service revenues remain consistent at approximately $45 million.
• Q4 Distributable Earnings Guidance -- $0.48 to $0.50 per share, based on current headcount mix and service revenue projections.
• Reimbursement Rate -- 42%, established as a sustainable run rate following strategic asset sales and current staffing levels.
• Recurring Cash Compensation -- $39.6 million, a $2 million sequential increase due to performance-based adjustments and headcount mix.
• Greenwich JV Annual Fees -- $750,000, projected from asset and property management services provided to the joint venture.

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RISKS

• Jordan stated, "The ongoing conflict in The Middle East continues to be a headwind," noting that global real estate fundraising hit a nine-year low during the first half of the calendar year.

SUMMARY

The RMR Group Inc. (NASDAQ:RMR) reported third quarter results that aligned with internal guidance, supported by operational execution across its managed REIT portfolio and the continued scaling of its private capital business. Management focused on deleveraging efforts for its perpetual capital clients, utilizing strategic asset sales and debt refinancing to strengthen balance sheets. The emergence of Office Properties Income Trust from bankruptcy established a new flat-fee management structure for the initial two years of its five-year term. The company continues to invest in its global sales and marketing team to address broader fundraising challenges while pursuing value-add multifamily and retail opportunities that utilize balance sheet capital to seed new private capital initiatives.

• CEO Portnoy attributed performance at DHC to being "in the early innings of a multiyear acceleration in cash flow growth" fueled by demographic demand for senior housing.
• Management identified a valuation gap, noting that RMR shares trade at approximately 5x EBITDA when excluding the value of investments, compared to a peer average of 16.5x.
• CFO Brown projected that as revenues grow, the company aims to return to historical EBITDA margins of approximately 50%.
• COO Jordan reported that the company's three wholly owned multifamily assets are 92% occupied and are generating high teen returns on investment through unit renovations.
• The company is evaluating retail investments, with Portnoy noting that RMR is "hopeful we will be having a very good return" on its existing Chicago retail asset.
• Portnoy stated that management is focused on Office Properties Income Trust increasing "free cash flow, deleveraging portfolio optimization" to improve its financial position.
• The residential platform historically exceeded $1 billion in annual transactions, and management expects activity to rebound as construction slows and fundamentals strengthen.

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

• DHC: Diversified Healthcare Trust.
• ILPT: Industrial Logistics Properties Trust.
• SVC: Service Properties Trust.
• OPI: Office Properties Income Trust.
• SHOP: Senior Housing Operating Portfolio, a segment where REITs own and operate senior living communities.
• NOI: Net Operating Income, a calculation used to analyze the profitability of income-generating real estate.
• RevPAR: Revenue Per Available Room, a performance metric in the hotel industry.
• Promote Income: A share of profits earned by a general partner or manager after a specific return threshold is met for investors.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Operator: Good day, and welcome to the RMR Group Fiscal Third Quarter 26 Earnings Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. And please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Bryan Anthony Maher, Senior Vice President. Please go ahead.

Bryan Anthony Maher: Thank you. Good morning. Thank you for joining RMR's fiscal third quarter 26 conference call. With me on today's call are President and CEO, Adam David Portnoy; Chief Operating Officer, Matthew Paul Jordan and Chief Financial Officer, Matthew C. Brown. In just a moment, they will provide details about our business and quarterly results. Followed by a question and answer session. I would also like to note that the recording and retransmission of today's conference call is prohibited without the prior written consent of the company. Today's conference call contains forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 2000 and other securities laws.

These forward looking statements are based on RMR's beliefs and expectations as of today 08/06/2026, actual results may differ materially from those that we project. The company undertakes no obligation to revise or publicly release the results of any revision to forward looking statements made in today's conference call. Additional information concerning factors that could cause those differences is contained in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Which can be found on our website at rmrgroup.com. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance upon any forward looking statements. In addition, we may discuss non GAAP numbers during this call. Including distributable earnings and adjusted EBITDA. A reconciliation of net income determined in accordance with U. S.

Generally accepted accounting principles to these non GAAP figures can be found in our financial results. I will now turn the call over to Adam.

Adam David Portnoy: Thanks, Bryan, and thank you all for joining us this morning. Yesterday, we reported third quarter financial results that were in line with our expectations despite broad economic and geopolitical uncertainty. Our quarterly results were highlighted by distributable earnings of $0.48 per share and adjusted EBITDA of $19.7 million Our results continue to reflect the organization's focus on our 2 primary strategic objectives. First, we are focused on driving continued improvements in the share prices of our managed REITs through strong business execution. And second, we are focused on growing our private capital business.

While Matt will talk more about private capital, as it relates to our managed REITs, over the past 2 years, we have actively assisted the REITs in deleveraging efforts through strategic asset sales, refinancing debt on more attractive terms and driving property NOI growth through increased occupancy rent roll ups and disciplined expense management. These efforts continue to resonate with the investment community. As both DHC and ILPT remain among the best performing REITs in the U.S. Over the past 3 years. As a result of this continued outperformance, we have seen sequential quarter growth in management fees and we are on pace to generate over $40 million incentive fees this calendar year. Now turning to our managed REITs.

At DHC, the REIT continues to experience significant operating improvement within senior housing segment following the transition of 116 communities to new operators over the past year. DHC has also materially improved its balance sheet metrics following over $600 million in non core asset sales, since the beginning of last year. Resulting in net debt to adjusted EBITDA declining to 7.1x as of June 30. In the second quarter, DHC generated normalized FFO of $0.16 per share and adjusted EBITDA of $82 million both exceeding consensus estimates. Same property SHOP NOI grew 37% over last year and same property shop margins improved 390 basis points to 17.3%.

Importantly, we continue to believe that DHC is in the early innings of a multiyear acceleration in cash flow growth because of the demographic driven demand for its SHOP communities and limited supply growth. Which are amplified by operational improvements we are implementing across the portfolio. ILPT had a very successful quarter with its results highlighted by a record 5.4 million square feet of leasing and a weighted average rent roll up of more than 35% marking its seventh consecutive quarter of double digit rent growth.

Additionally, RMR recently assisted ILPT with the refinancing of $1.6 billion of new debt for its consolidated Mountain joint venture, which we placed floating rate debt with interest only fixed rate debt and an attractive 5.7% interest rate. Given a materially improved debt profile and strong organic cash flow growth, ILPT recently doubled its quarterly dividend to 10 cents per share while maintaining significant dividend coverage. SVC continues to make progress strengthening its balance sheet while improving its portfolio composition through a combination of capital recycling in over $900 million in non core asset sales since the beginning of last year.

Management's primary focus remains on working with Sonesta's new leadership team to drive hotel EBITDA margins higher while also looking to realize the anticipated benefits from nearly $650 million in capital improvements made to its retained hotel portfolio over the past 3 years. For the quarter, SVC's retained hotels saw RevPAR increase 6.6% and hotel EBITDA grow 4.2% reflecting the early benefits of the recently completed renovations. Normalized FFO per share came in at $0.43 and adjusted EBITDA was 146 million RMR was instrumental in helping SVC improve its balance sheet during the quarter using the net proceeds from its recent $575 million equity offering to redeem $550 million of unsecured notes due in 2027.

As a result, SVC has meaningfully reduced near term refinancing risk while creating runway to optimize its hotel performance and advance its broader transformation into a net lease focused REIT. Lastly, OPI recently emerged from bankruptcy and its newly issued shares trade on the NASDAQ. As we previously highlighted, RMR will continue managing OPI for an initial 5-year term with RMR receiving a flat business management fee during the first 2 years of $14 million per year. To conclude, we are pleased with the significant progress RMR has made improving the financial positions of our managed REITs.

We are particularly encouraged by the total shareholder returns that have been delivered by DHC and ILPT over the past 3 years, and we are working hard to deliver similar results across all of our clients. With that, I will now turn the call over to Matthew Paul Jordan.

Matthew Paul Jordan: Thanks, Adam. While our publicly traded perpetual capital clients provide RMR and its shareholders, with a stable foundation of recurring cash flows, We continue to pursue growth strategies in our private capital business. Which as a reminder has grown from nearly 0 assets under management in 2020 to over $12 billion today. To further this initiative, over the past year, we have built a global in house sales and marketing team that continues to spend significant time increasing RMR's brand awareness. Given our expertise across most real estate sectors we are in an excellent position to tailor the opportunities we are seeing in the market to potential partners capital allocation strategies.

While investor meetings continue to be constructive, and have helped establish our organization in a manner that will benefit us in the long term, The ongoing conflict in The Middle East continues to be a headwind. With global real estate fundraising in the first half of the calendar year coming in at a 9-year low. While we continue to make longer term investments to build our brand and expand our investor universe, Our residential business recently closed a joint venture acquisition in Greenwich, Connecticut for approximately $350 million. This venture involving RMR part involved RMR partnering with new institutional investors that represent 95% of the equity with RMR retaining a 5% general partner interest.

Our multiyear plan for this asset is to modernize the community enhance the resident experience, and unlock embedded operating efficiencies. As general partner, RMR earned an acquisition fee at closing and will earn asset management and property management fees of approximately $750 thousand annually from this venture. As a reminder, the RMR residential platform we acquired in 2023 was historically built compete completing joint ventures like the Greenwich transaction with large institutional partners. To that end, while we continue to fundraise for our residential enhanced growth venture, we expect to continue executing 1 off joint ventures with RMR acting as a general partner.

Further, as tailwinds continue to improve for multifamily real estate, whether it be continued strengthening of fundamentals or the continued slowdown in multifamily construction, we expect transaction activity to rebound over time. Our residential platform regularly exceeded $1 billion in transactions a year. Prior to the headwinds the sector has recently experienced. Beyond our general partner interest, RMR wholly owns 3 multifamily communities encompassing 781 units that are almost 92% occupied. This quarter's earnings presentation includes expanded color on these assets. All of which are performing in line with their value add business plans and collectively you are seeing operating fundamental improvements as supply eases.

This is most notably starting to show in a continuing trend of rental rate improvements and the easing of tenant concessions. In closing, as investors may recall, last quarter we added a slide to our investor presentation that highlighted the material discount at which RMR shares trade relative to our peers. As an update, if 1 were to back out the carrying value of our investments, as well as the net carrying value of our wholly owned real estate and JV interest, RMR shares are trading at just over 5x the EBITDA generated primarily by the 20 year evergreen management contracts associated with some of our managed equity REITs.

This is significantly below the 16.5x average multiple at which our peers trade and highlights the attractiveness of our shares at current levels. With that, I will now turn the call over to Matthew C. Brown.

Matthew C. Brown: Thanks, Matthew, and good morning, everyone. For our fiscal third quarter, we reported adjusted EBITDA of $19.7 million and distributable earnings of $0.48 per share. Both of which met our guidance. Recurring service revenues were $45.5 million for a sequential quarter increase of approximately $3.5 million driven primarily by increases in the enterprise values of DHC and SVC seasonal improvements in Sonesta revenues and acquisition fees earned from our Greenwich joint venture acquisition. Next quarter, we expect recurring service revenues to remain consistent at approximately $45 million as enterprise values at our managed equity REITs continue to improve offset by acquisition fees recognized in the current quarter. Turning to expenses.

Recurring cash compensation was $39.6 million for a sequential quarter increase of approximately $2 million largely driven by year to date adjustments recognized in the current quarter and changes in headcount mix. Our reimbursement rate in the quarter was approximately 42%, which we view as a good run rate moving forward based on our current headcount mix and strategic asset sales at certain of our managed equity REITs. Looking ahead to next quarter, we expect recurring cash compensation to decrease to approximately $38.5 million As it relates to equity based compensation, with our fiscal year end approaching, RMR share awards to employees are expected to occur in September.

Based on historical grants, we expect approximately $600 thousand in incremental equity compensation next quarter. Recurring G and A this quarter was $10.7 million, a modest sequential quarter increase driven primarily by normal course legal and professional fees. Including third party construction management fees. We expect recurring G and A to decrease slightly next quarter. As noted in last quarter's call, our quarterly tax rate during the year is subject to fluctuation. However, these fluctuations are not expected to materially impact our full-year estimated tax rate of 17% to 18%. This quarter, our tax rate remained elevated at 20.4% as adjustments such as unrealized gains on our investments in SVC and 7 impacted the timing of tax expense recognition.

As Adam highlighted earlier, OPI emerged from bankruptcy in June, we entered into amended and restated management agreements with OPI. As a result, we wrote off a contract asset associated with the previous management agreements which was partially offset by RMR receiving 2% of the equity in the new entity, to compensate us for our efforts through the bankruptcy process. The net impact of these noncash related items resulted in a net impairment charge of $19 million. Our investment in SVC generated approximately $420 thousand in dividends in the quarter, which contributed to adjusted EBITDA and distributable earnings and serves as a good run rate moving forward.

Aggregating these collective assumptions, next quarter we expect adjusted EBITDA to be $19 million to $21 million and distributable earnings to be between $0.48 and $0.50 per share. We expect full year adjusted EBITDA to be approximately $76.5 million to $78.5 million, which excludes the $23.6 million of incentive fees earned for calendar year 2025, and a possible more than $40 million of incentive fees for calendar year 2026. We ended the quarter with over $130 million of total liquidity. Including over $55 million in cash, and $75 million of capacity on our revolving credit facility. We remain well positioned to execute on our strategic objectives and pursue growth opportunities that strengthen our competitive position and support future performance.

That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, please open the line for questions.

Operator: We will now begin the question and answer session. Please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. Question. The first question comes from Tyler Anton Batory with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Tyler Anton Batory: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. First 1 is just on the private capital side of things, in particular, the enhanced growth venture. It sounds like it is just the macro that is impacting some of the fundraising, but just wanted to double click on that. I am not sure if maybe some of the potential investors out there are looking for something different in terms of this sort of an investment. it is just any updates on kind of how you think fundraising might progress over the next couple of quarters?

Matthew Paul Jordan: Hey, Tyler. it is Matthew Paul Jordan. I guess there is a couple of things that play here. The fundraising cycle in general has really extended. You are looking at 18 to 24 months, and we are still about 9 months in. And we have had a series of global meetings and interest levels. So I would say the fundraising process is still very much underway. I think what is also impacting it is 2 things. You have the Middle East conflicts and the related market volatility. that is causing a lot of people to pause. And a lot of the capital that is most actively deploying in real estate is Middle Eastern money.

So it is further compounding the issue. You also have a second issue of a lot of investments made in the peak years when interest rates were 0 or near 0. Those investors have not got that money back. So they do not have new monies to deploy. We just need to work through this and through that. We are in this for the long game. Some of the effort we are doing as we market EGV and market RMR broadly is what we believe going to pay dividends in the long term when things stabilize and people start redeploying again.

Tyler Anton Batory: Okay. Thank you for that. And then another big picture question. I am just trying to think about operating leverage, potential margin improvement in the business. there is, I think, a lot of momentum a lot of potential on the top line in terms of revenue. So any guidepost you could provide in terms of flow through or EBITDA margin, what that might look like in medium term?

Matthew C. Brown: Sure. So our current EBITDA margin is in the low 40% range. Historically, that number was trending at or above 50%. Our goal is to get there, and the way we are going to get there is to continue growing revenues, and we will see that flow through all the way down to the bottom line. So the goal is to get back towards that 50%-ish margin.

Tyler Anton Batory: Okay. And then a couple of housekeeping questions. So the 40 million potential incentive fees, I guess I wanted to be clear, I think, I know, but I just want to be clear exactly which REITs are driving that. I do not know if there is any help in terms of potential sensitivity. I mean, it sounds like the $40 is kind of a point in time from right now. So maybe there is even more upside depending how the rest of the year plays out.

Matthew C. Brown: Sure. The 2 REITs that are currently in the money for incentive fees right now are DHC and ILPT. With DHC representing about 75% of that total $40-ish million as of June 30. Yes. The fee is volatile, but both of those, REITs are outperforming significantly. And as a result of that are hitting the cap of the incentive fee, which is 1.5% of equity market cap for each of them. So we feel really good about incentive fees for 2026 And even looking forward into 2027, we also expect a similar trend to what we are seeing currently.

Tyler Anton Batory: Okay, great. And then the last 1, so SVC investment that you have made, do you have an ideal holding period for that? Is that capital down the line that could be freed up and maybe an opportunity to monetize that at a gain?

Adam David Portnoy: Tyler, it is Adam. I think you should think about that investment as a long term investment You know, we really are bullish about the prospects of SVC, which is what was partially led us to make that investment. And the business at SVC is going to the improvements that we are starting to see in the portfolio, we expect it to continue but it is going to be measured in years, not quarters or months. And I think from your perspective, the answer directly we expect to be long term holders of SVC.

Tyler Anton Batory: Okay, great. that is all for me. Thank you.

Operator: The next question is from Christopher Nolan with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

Christopher Nolan: Adam, was the $40 million incentive fee for calendar year or fiscal year?

Adam David Portnoy: it is a calendar year calculation So it would be calculated at the end of December and typically paid, I believe, in January. Right.

Christopher Nolan: And then what was the driver for the 21 million investment gain? I might have missed it in the comments.

Matthew C. Brown: that is really just the change in share price of our investments in SVC and 7 from where they were at Mark 31 to where those shares ended at June 30.

Christopher Nolan: Great. And then I guess following up on the comments on the slowdown in commercial real estate. Is it I presume it is across sectors. it is not sector specific. And has this, like, sort of impacted valuations for commercial real estate, equity valuations for properties and so forth?

Adam David Portnoy: So it is broad based generally. In terms of capital flowing into commercial real estate. For sure, there is a slowdown. Transaction volumes are down. Capital deployments are down. Capital raising is down, both in the private markets and public markets. There are some exceptions, the obvious 1 data centers. The other exception within the sectors we operate in, I would say that senior living is a sector that continues to see flows. There are sectors performing better than others in terms of transaction activity and capital flows. Another area that seems to have some pretty good capital flows and transaction activity is industrial. Which we have a large presence in.

And sort of an up and coming area that is been up and coming now for a couple of years and continues to accelerate is retail. there is more capital flows coming into retail. So the whole sector is down, but there are some sectors doing better compared to others. In terms of pricing, pricing has not moved much in the last year or so for commercial real estate with the exception of maybe a couple of the sectors I just mentioned. I think cap rates are compressing in the senior living space. I think cap rates are starting to compress a little bit in the retail space.

They are probably even coming down in the office sector, but they are coming down off a very high point. In the office sector. So there has not been a lot-- there has not been a big move in valuations, but there has, but there is-- but transaction volume is way down. We are running at 50% of, let's say, what normal transaction volumes would be. And so because you are not seeing as much capital flows in volumes, that has not led to a deterioration in asset values. Significantly. Okay. Thank you.

Operator: The next question is from John James Massocca with B. Riley. Please go ahead. In operating capital I am sorry, John James Massocca, could you please start your question over?

John James Massocca: Had a I did not quite get you on the queue or on the podium as fast as I thought. No, no problem. [Inaudible]. So maybe sticking with the theme of kind of starting with the theme of on balance sheet real estate, how are you thinking about additional investments today Does that need to see a kind of ramp up in that private capital fundraising before you would feel comfortable putting more investments on balance sheet? Or given the capacity you have with some of the debt availability for RMR proper, would you feel comfortable continuing to see things and see attractive opportunities, in the multifamily space or other real estate sectors?

Adam David Portnoy: Hi, John. I think until you are onto it and we are thinking about it in similar ways. Until there is a sort of an uptick in, let's say, fundraising around EGV, for multifamily. I do not think you will see us put another wholly owned asset on the balance sheet for, let's say, multifamily. The only area that we are actively thinking about putting a wholly owned investment on the balance sheet would be maybe retail. We have 1 retail asset on the balance sheet. it is possible we could put another 1 or 2 there. We feel pretty bullish about that sector.

We are not the only ones that feel bullish about that sector, but we feel pretty good about our ability to execute a value add strategy in and around some lack of a better word, shopping centers. And we have got 1 on our balance sheet. it is actually performing pretty well. We are hopeful we will be having a very good return on that investment. And so we could see that in retail. And again, that follows the theme you have talked about, which is you know, we are not really thinking about putting more money to work in multi because we sort of have 3 assets.

We are waiting to see if we can get the capital deployed or get or to raise capital in a private format around that. We have not really built out a strong track record in value add retail investment And so that is the impetus for us to use the balance sheet capital for that. But the goal is through the prism of we are doing this to help accelerate private capital raising so we can generate more fees. And fees for the organization. And so that is sort of the way we think about it.

John James Massocca: Okay. In terms of the public vehicles OPI now back in the public markets, Can you maybe provide a little more disclosure on how you get to some of the potential fees there. And maybe how you are thinking about or how maybe you have to treat the 22% ownership stake you received as part of that transaction?

Adam David Portnoy: Sure. So we are likely to be a long term hold of that 2% as well. You know, OPI is in the early innings Of its emergence from bankruptcy and sort of executing on its business plan. it is in the process of selling some real estate today. But everything about OPI is being thought about through the prism of how do we increase free cash flow for the business? How do we optimize the portfolio? How do we delever even further the balance sheet, even though we significantly have delevered it. So those are sort of you know, the themes that the board and management is focused on at OPI.

And I think in the coming quarters, it will become clearer sort of exactly precisely what we will be focused on in terms of additional asset sales if there are any refinancing or cleaning up maybe the balance sheet as part of that. Those are things that I think we are focused on over the next couple of quarters. But we feel confident the company is on strong footing and we are focused on increasing free cash flow, deleveraging portfolio optimization. Those are the things we are focused on.

John James Massocca: In the potential 8 percentage additional ownership stake, I mean, is that kind of contingent on more kind of going concern type of targets? Would that be kind of more of a liquidation type scenario? Just kind of curious broad strokes, how do you maybe get to at least some of that potential ownership upside?

Adam David Portnoy: So it is a great question. John. We have not entered into the agreement yet on that is called the management incentive plan. We are currently in discussions regarding that and all those things are sort of on the table. Once we get that finalized, we will be happy to disclose details and how it is set up, but we just do not have it in place yet.

John James Massocca: Okay. Understood. And that is it for me. Thank you very much.

Operator: The next question is from Mitchell Bradley Germain with Citizens Bank. Please go ahead.

Mitchell Bradley Germain: Great. Thank you. Your legacy investments, the first couple that you made on balance sheet, a couple of multifamily, 1 retail. I am curious, it is I do not know, it is been a year plus or so with some of them. How they are performing relative to your original underwriting?

Matthew Paul Jordan: Hey, Mitchell. As a reminder, we have got 3 wholly owned multi deals. Research part research triangle, Florida and Denver on the multi side, and then Adam touched on our Chicago retail deal. As it relates to multifamily, those are 4 to 5 year business plans. So we are still somewhat in the early innings. But so far, again, they are almost 92% occupied. We are seeing respectable 3% to 4% rent growth on renewals. We are almost break even on new leasing, which are phenomenal numbers versus where we were a year ago in terms of the supply overhang.

And on the renovations we are doing to the apartments, which is part of the business plan in terms of turning classic units into upgraded units. Thus far, we are seeing high teen ROIs that are being generated on those renovations in terms of realization of rent. So we feel really good. These are obviously generating recurring fees through property management and asset management. But the big goal is generating promote income for the organization when we realize these transactions in 4 to 5 years. In terms of their life cycle. And as of now, those are all trending on track with their business plan.

Mitchell Bradley Germain: Thanks for that commentary. Adam, you have got shares in now 3 of your 5 public vehicles. Is there any consideration to maybe grow a stake in the other 2 remaining? I know that you have incentives that are coming from there. Can you trade some cash for stock? I mean, is this some sort of strategy that you are going to embark on in the future?

Adam David Portnoy: Thanks, Mitchell. it is an interesting question. it is something we have thought about. You are right. there is not just RMR. RMR has interests large interests in SVC and 7 Hills. I personally have a large interest in DHC. So collectively, between RMR and myself, you are right. 3 in 3 of the REITs. I think it is an open question what we are open to it. there is no imminent plan to do so in terms to invest in those companies.

But under the right circumstances, if they presented themselves and we felt good about the valuation and it would help sort of accelerate the business plan at those companies, I can see a scenario where it could present itself. But there is nothing currently planned to do so.

Mitchell Bradley Germain: Great. Last 1 for me, and I apologize. I missed some of your You have a distributable earnings bridge in your presentation. And you have some higher compensation this quarter that impacts earnings. Is that is there a recurring nature to that? Or is this 1 time expenses?

Matthew C. Brown: The majority of that is 1-time in nature. We do have slight change in headcount mix, is a slight factor. But more importantly, our bonus at RMR, which gets paid to employees in September is performance based, based off of EBITDA. And we have seen our EBITDA target grow as of June 30 for the balance of the fiscal year as compared to where it was in March. So the majority of the adjustment was driven based off that.

Mitchell Bradley Germain: Great. Thank you, guys.

Operator: This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Adam David Portnoy, President and CEO, for any closing remarks.

Adam David Portnoy: Thank you all for joining our call today. Operator, that concludes our call.

Operator: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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