Lument (LFT) Q3 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

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DATE

Fri, Nov. 13, 2026

CALL PARTICIPANTS

• Investor Relations - Andrew Tsang
• Chief Executive Officer - Jim Flynn
• Chief Financial Officer - Jim Briggs
• President - Greg Calvert
• Portfolio Manager - Zach Halpern

TAKEAWAYS

• GAAP Net Loss -- $13.5 million, or $2.57 per share, due to an $8.6 million provision for credit losses and $3.9 million in REO impairment charges.
• Distributable Loss -- $700,000, or $0.13 per share, representing a non-GAAP measure that excludes credit loss provisions and REO impairments.
• Common Stock Book Value -- $24.97 per share, decreasing from $27.57 per share on a reverse split-adjusted basis as of June 30.
• Portfolio Unpaid Principal Balance -- $981 million, consisting of 51 floating rate loans as of Sept. 30.
• General CECL Reserve -- $6.6 million, increasing $2.8 million in the quarter primarily due to an increase in high-risk loans and changes in macroeconomic assumptions.
• Specific Credit Loss Allowance -- $20.5 million, increasing from $17.4 million as of June 30 reflecting valuation moves on two Category 5 risk-rated assets.
• Category 5 Risk-Rated Loans -- $94 million aggregate principal, representing six loans on nonaccrual status as of the end of the quarter.
• Multifamily Asset Concentration -- 93% of the total loan portfolio, with the remaining assets collateralized by other commercial real estate properties.
• Unrestricted Cash -- $27 million, maintained to preserve operating flexibility during the resolution of legacy assets.
• Net Interest Income -- $4.6 million, an increase from $4.5 million in the second quarter driven by higher SOFR rates.
• Operating Expenses -- $4 million, including $500,000 in higher expenses related to nonperforming loans and protective advances.
• REO Held-for-Sale Carrying Value -- $49.8 million, consisting of four multifamily properties that management is actively working to dispose.
• REO Impairment Charges -- $3.9 million, recorded during the quarter based on current fair value estimates and recent sale offers.
• Loan Acquisition and Payoffs -- $67 million in new loan funding, which was offset by $79 million in loan payoffs during the period.
• Weighted Average Coupon -- 706 basis points, increasing from 697 basis points sequentially due to the increase in SOFR.
• Portfolio Weighted Average Risk Rating -- 3.2, increasing from 3.1 in the prior quarter as 70% of loans were rated 3 or better compared to 81% in June.
• Weighted Average Floating Rate -- 326 basis points over SOFR, with 100% of the loan portfolio indexed to 1-month SOFR.
• Portfolio Duration -- 18 months, assuming all available extensions are exercised by borrowers.
• REO Occupancy Rate -- 67% across five multifamily properties with a total aggregate carrying value of $77 million.
• Unamortized Purchase Discount -- $440,000, as reported for the total loan portfolio at the end of the quarter.
• Loan Extensions -- $180 million across seven loans, primarily involving three-month extensions and the capture of extension fees.

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RISKS

• Flynn warned that "the current trend on earnings is negative," attributing the trajectory to challenged legacy assets and the company being significantly under-deployed relative to historical norms.

SUMMARY

Lument Finance Trust, Inc. (NYSE:LFT) reported a GAAP net loss for the third quarter as management prioritized the resolution of legacy assets and the preservation of liquidity. The company suspended its common dividend and completed a 10-for-1 reverse stock split to manage its capital structure amid elevated interest rates and multifamily market pressures. Management reported that the portfolio remains concentrated in multifamily assets, with 93% of investments in this sector, while working to dispose of nonperforming loans and real estate owned properties. The company maintained a cash balance of $27 million and utilized reinvestment capacity in its collateralized loan obligations to position for future capital redeployment into performing assets.

• Flynn stated that following a 25 basis point increase in September, he expects an additional 25 to 50 basis point increase in the Fed funds rate through the first quarter of 2027.
• Management noted that the decision to reinstate the common dividend depends on maintaining liquidity and flexibility to resolve assets rather than reaching a specific earnings figure.
• Briggs indicated that $2.8 million of the specific credit loss allowance was charged off during the period related to one loan that was foreclosed upon in the quarter.
• Halpern stated that all potential issues in newer vintage loans are currently being resolved and that specific REO assets were not named to avoid disrupting ongoing sales processes.
• Flynn commented that share buybacks remain a consideration for the Board of Directors, though the immediate priority is preserving liquidity to resolve existing portfolio issues.

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

• UPB: The portion of a loan that has not yet been paid back to the lender.
• REO: Property owned by a lender after a successful foreclosure or deed-in-lieu of foreclosure.
• CECL: An accounting standard for estimating allowances for credit losses based on expected losses over the life of an asset.
• SOFR: A benchmark interest rate for dollar-denominated derivatives and loans that replaced LIBOR.
• CLO: A security backed by a pool of loans, often used by REITs to finance their portfolios.
• Nonaccrual: A status for a loan that is no longer generating interest income because the borrower is significantly behind on payments.
• Distributable Earnings: A non-GAAP measure used by REITs to reflect the earnings available for distribution to shareholders.
• Reverse Stock Split: A corporate action that reduces the number of shares outstanding while increasing the share price proportionally.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Operator: Good morning, and thank you for joining Lument Finance Trust Third Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. Today's call is being recorded and will be made available via webcast on the company's website. I would now like to turn the call over to Andrew Tsang with Investor Relations at Lument Investment Management. Please go ahead.

Andrew Tsang: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining our call to discuss Lument Finance Trust's third quarter 2026 financial results. With me on the call today are Jim Flynn, our CEO; Jim Briggs, our CFO; Greg Calvert, our President; and Zach Halpern, our portfolio manager. Last night, we issued a press release to provide details on our recent financial results, provided a supplemental earnings presentation, which can be found on our website. And this morning we filed our 10-Q with the SEC.

Before handing the call over to Jim Flynn, I'd like to remind everyone that certain statements made during the course of this call are not based on historical information and may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Such forward-looking statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in forward-looking statements. These risks and uncertainties are discussed in the company's reports filed with the SEC, in particular risk factors sections of our Form 10-K and Form 10-Qs.

It's not possible to predict or identify all such risks, and listeners are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements. The company undertakes no obligation to update any of these forward-looking statements. Further, certain non-GAAP financial measures will be discussed on this conference call. The presentation of this information is not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information presented in accordance with GAAP. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable measures prepared in accordance with GAAP can be accessed through our filings with the SEC.

For the third quarter of 2026, we reported a GAAP net loss of $2.57, and distributable loss of $0.13 per share of common stock. On September 9, the company effected a 10-for-1 reverse split of its common stock. All per common share amounts discussed today, including for prior periods, have been adjusted, if necessary, to reflect the reverse common stock split. I'll now turn the call over to Jim Flynn. Please go ahead.

James Flynn: Thank you, Andrew. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for Lument Finance Trust's third quarter earnings call. We appreciate the continued support and engagement from our investors as we work through the remaining challenges in our legacy portfolio. Our focus remains on resolving those assets, preserving value, and positioning the company to deliver improved results for shareholders. Looking at the market, the economy has continued to remain resilient, although persistent inflation and renewed uncertainty around interest rates do influence the commercial real estate markets. Following a 25 basis point increase in September, the Fed has maintained the Fed funds rate in the 3.75% to 4% range.

We do expect to see a 25 and maybe as much as a 50 basis point increase coming in December and/or the first quarter of 2027. While the path of monetary policy continues to remain uncertain, rates are likely to remain elevated and important considerations for borrowers and commercial real estate valuations. More recently, the results of this month's midterm elections point to a divided federal government beginning in January. And while we do not expect the outcome to materially change multi-family fundamentals in the near term, we will continue to monitor its potential implications for fiscal policy, interest rates, and housing policy nationally. In multi-family, performance continues to vary by market and asset.

Slowing new supply should provide a more constructive backdrop over time, although elevated borrowing costs continue to pressure refinancing economics for transitional properties. CRE CLOs capital markets remain open and continue to provide financing capacity for the sector, although investor spreads have modestly widened on recent issuances amid broader market uncertainty. I should note this is true for really all fixed products across any asset class. We believe the reinvestment capacity available in our current CRE CLO remains an important source of flexibility as we resolve our legacy assets and selectively redeploy capital.

On the asset management side, which you'll hear much more about from Greg and Jim, working through the remaining legacy assets continues to be our central focus for the company. We are actively pursuing the most appropriate resolution strategy for each asset with an emphasis on balancing the desire to protect recovery values with accelerating asset resolution so we can redeploy our investable capital into performing assets with appropriate risk-adjusted returns. While conditions for certain challenged assets remain difficult, resolution activity has begun to improve, and we are pursuing a range of alternatives across the portfolio and are encouraged by the progress we are making toward monetizing these positions and returning capital to productive use.

We continue to manage our unrestricted liquidity and CLO reinvestment capacity carefully, and ended the quarter with approximately $27 million of cash on the balance sheet. As we work through our remaining legacy assets, preserving liquidity remains a top priority. As a result, in September, following extensive discussions with our Board, we determined that suspending the common dividend for Q3 was a prudent step to preserve operating flexibility. As we generate liquidity through repayments and asset resolutions, we expect our emphasis will increasingly shift toward redeployment of capital into opportunities that are accretive to shareholder value. Looking ahead, our strategy is straightforward: resolve the remaining legacy assets, preserve shareholder capital, and redeploy available liquidity into high-quality multi-family investments.

Although the timing of individual NPL and REO resolutions will continue to depend on asset- and market-specific conditions, we are encouraged by the recent pace of resolution activity and believe we are making meaningful progress toward reducing these exposures. As capital is released, our next priority is putting it back to work efficiently, which we expect will be important to rebuilding the company's earnings capacity. We appreciate the patience of our investors as we continue to navigate the challenges of our legacy investment portfolio. We believe we have financing flexibility, the support of our capital partners, and platform capabilities to execute on that strategy.

With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Jim Briggs, who will provide details regarding our financial results.

James Briggs: Thanks, Jim. Good morning. This morning, we filed our quarterly report on Form 10-Q, and last night, provided a supplemental investor presentation on our website, which we'll be referring to during our remarks. The supplemental investor presentation has been uploaded to the webcast as well for your reference. On pages 4 through 7 of the presentation, you'll find key updates and an earnings summary for the quarter. The third quarter of 2026 reported a net loss attributable to common stockholders of $13.5 million, or $2.57 per share. We reported a distributable loss of $700,000, or $0.13 per share. Note that all per share amounts reflect the 10-for-1 reverse stock split completed on September 9.

There are a few Q3 P&L items I'd like to now highlight. Net interest income was $4.6 million, modestly higher than $4.5 million in the second quarter. The ending outstanding UPB of the total portfolio was approximately $980 million compared to $1 billion as of June 30. The weighted average coupon of our loan portfolio increased to 706 basis points compared to 697 basis points in the prior quarter, largely due to the increase in the SOFR rate during the period. We had fewer exit fees during the period due to lower sequential payoffs, offsetting our extension fee income was higher quarter-over-quarter. Total operating expenses were $4 million, approximately in line with $3.9 million in the second quarter.

The increase was driven primarily by approximately $500,000 incrementally higher expenses relating to non-performing loans, including protective advances that have been expensed as incurred. It was partially offset by lower expense reimbursements for our manager during the period. The difference between reported GAAP net loss and distributable earnings for the quarter was primarily attributable to an $8.6 million provision for credit losses recorded in the period, $3.9 million of REO impairment charges, and $318,000 of depreciation on REO. The $8.6 million in provision for credit losses recorded during the quarter, which is excluded from distributable earnings, was driven primarily by several factors.

Our general CECL reserve increased $2.8 million in the quarter to a September 30 balance of $6.6 million, with the increase primarily driven by an increase in high-risk loans, as well as changes in macroeconomic assumptions employed during -- in determining the company's model-based general reserve. We charged approximately $5.9 million to our specific reserve. We evaluated our risk-rated 5 loans individually to determine whether asset-specific reserves were necessary. The $5.9 million provision is primarily related to 2 loans that had been risk-rated 5 as of June 30 and that continue to be risk-rated 5 as of September 30, reflective of moves in collateral values on those assets.

During the period, we also charged off $2.8 million of specific allowance related to one loan that we foreclosed on during the period. As a result, our specific allowance for credit losses increased to $20.5 million compared to $17.4 million as of June 30. As of September 30, we had 4 REO assets classified as held-for-sale with an aggregate carrying value of $49.8 million, including 2 REO assets with an aggregate carrying value of $24.1 million that were reclassified from held-for-use during the quarter, and 1 asset that was foreclosed on in the quarter that was classified as held-for-sale.

During the quarter, we recorded an impairment expense on these held-for-sale REO assets totaling $3.9 million, after considering the current fair value of the properties, which was primarily based on recent sale offers. At quarter end, our CLOs capital was substantially fully deployed at an 88% advance rate and a cost of funds of SOFR plus 191. As of 9/30, a portion of our loan and REO portfolio were pledged to warehouse facilities that provided financing at an effective advance rate of 68% and a weighted average cost of SOFR plus 203. As of 9/30, we had an unrestricted cash balance of $27 million, and our FL3 CLO was substantially fully deployed.

The company's total book equity at the end of the quarter was approximately $191 million. Total book value of common stock was approximately $131 million, or $24.97 per share, decreasing sequentially from $27.57 per share as of June 30 on a reverse split adjusted basis. We'll now turn the call over to Greg Calvert to provide details on the company's investment activity and portfolio performance during the quarter.

Greg Calvert: Thank you, Jim. During the third quarter, LFT acquired or funded 4 loans with an aggregate UPB of $67 million and experienced $79 million of loan payoffs. As of September 30, our total loan portfolio consisted of 51 floating rate loans with an aggregate unpaid principal balance of approximately $981 million, a weighted average floating rate of 326 basis points over SOFR, and an unamortized aggregate purchase discount of approximately $440,000. The weighted average remaining term of our book as of quarter end was approximately 18 months, assuming all available extensions are exercised by our borrowers. 100% of the portfolio was indexed to 1-month SOFR, and 93% of the portfolio is collateralized by multi-family properties.

As of September 30, approximately 70% of the loans in our portfolio were risk rated at 3 or better, compared to 81% as of June 30. The weighted average risk rating quarter-over-quarter increased to 3.2 from 3.1 sequentially. As of September 30, we had six 5 risk-rated loans with an aggregate principal amount of $94 million, or approximately 10% of the unpaid principal balance of our quarter end investment portfolio. Five of these loans with an aggregate UPB of $76 million were also risk-rated 5 as of the prior quarter either -- due to either maturity or monetary default. All of these loans are on non-accrual status.

One of these loans with a UPB of $18 million was downgraded to a 5 risk-rating this quarter due to a maturity default. However, the borrower is current on interest payments and no specific allowance for credit losses was recorded on this asset for this period. As of the quarter end, our REO portfolio in total consisted of 5 multifamily properties with an aggregate carry value of $77 million and a weighted average occupancy rate of approximately 67%. As Jim Briggs mentioned, 4 of these assets with an aggregate carry value of $49.8 million are classified as held-for-sale, and we are actively working on their disposition.

We have been very active in seeking positive asset resolutions and maximizing recovery values and are pleased with the significant progress we have made so far, yet we understand there is still more work to be done on behalf of our shareholders. With that, I'll pass it back to Jim Flynn for closing remarks and questions.

James Flynn: Thank you, Greg and Jim. Now I'd like to open the call for any questions.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] And your first question is from Jason Weaver from JonesTrading.

Valentin Alvar: This is Valen Alvar filling in for Jason Weaver. So starting with, you have 7 loans that were extended in 3Q, mostly by about 3 months, and 4 of those dates have passed. How many were extended again in October and November? And what were the paydowns or fees there? Also, you mentioned on the last call flagging modified maturities in the supplemental. Is that still coming there?

James Flynn: Sure. Thank you for the question. Greg or Zach, do you have the specifics on those 5?

Greg Calvert: Maybe give me a minute.

Zachary Halpern: Apologies, can you just repeat quickly the context of the 5 that you're trying to get some information on?

Valentin Alvar: All right. So the 7 loans that were extended totaling about $180 million, but mostly by 3 months, and 4 of those dates had already passed. Do you know how many of those were extended again in October and November and what those paydowns or fees were?

Zachary Halpern: Yes. Give me a second to get some information there.

James Flynn: And the second part of your question was -- I'm sorry, say that again. Was there a second piece, besides...

Valentin Alvar: Yes, yes. So I just -- on the last call, you guys mentioned flagging the modified maturities in supplemental. So I was just curious if that was still coming or part of the plan in the future.

James Flynn: Yes, Jim and Andrew, I don't think that's in the supplemental, or is it? I don't...

James Briggs: It is not in the current supplemental, and we'll work to get that in there.

Valentin Alvar: Okay. Got you.

James Flynn: On the first question, I would say that I just trying to look through some paper and try to aggregate it. It's not the way that -- we don't necessarily aggregate data in that fashion. Largely, there were some temporary extensions that occurred in Q2 that were transitioned to more permanent solutions via longer extensions in Q3, those involved capture of fees, et cetera. But I'm sort of forward-looking a little bit right now into Q3, which I don't necessarily want to do too much of. To the answer, some of those have not been papered formally for whatever the final resolution is. That is true. So those you shouldn't talk about, but...

Valentin Alvar: Okay. Got it. And then what distributable earnings level and resolution milestones would the Board need to see to reinstate the common dividend? And is the preferred coverage at any risk? I know you guys touched on it a little bit, but...

James Flynn: Yes, I mean, there's not a -- obviously, we revisit that question with the Board during all of our meetings. The current trend on earnings is negative, certainly in part with some of these challenged assets, but also because we are significantly under-deployed relative to historical norms, both in terms of leverage and assets. So while there's not a number, the key drivers of that discussion are how quickly or how many more of these assets, which we've identified and we do expect meaningful progress here in the coming couple of quarters on moving those off the balance sheet. It's really about maintaining liquidity and flexibility to resolve those assets.

Once that is at a place that we feel comfortable with and the Board feels comfortable with, we'll then turn to what are the distributable earnings as a result as we go forward and then make the decision on the dividend. So we do believe that when we are able to resolve these assets, return the capital back to the company, and redeploy it efficiently into the market, that our earnings will improve. But it's really not so much a number of what the earnings is as it is maintaining liquidity and flexibility to get through these resolutions. Obviously, our preference is to do so as soon as possible.

We are -- as I mentioned in the first part of the call, we are making significant progress, and we do see transactions in the space in general across the industry in terms of lenders being able to sell non-performing loans or non-performing assets or REO at a higher pace today than we've seen over the last year plus. So while from a value standpoint, that's obviously lenders resolving assets that have generated losses, which no one is happy about, but from a getting through this period and getting through legacy portfolios, that's a positive sign.

So I would -- if I was looking at this, I would monitor the watch list and the number of loans that they -- the highest-risk loans moving off the books as the key driver of that discussion.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] And your next question is from Ward Blum from UBS.

Howard Blum: I know we're in a tough environment, and I think the results, though they're disappointing, show a lot of hard work and effort to accomplish. I noticed, if I got it right, you've got 12 loans that matured from September 30 to today. And those may or may not be part of this legacy group that you talk about. But I wonder, and this may have been partially covered in the last question, how many of them paid off or extended? That's my first part of the question. Second part is, you're talking at a 30,000-foot level about properties and so forth.

It seems like 10% of the portfolio is non-performing, and I wondered if you could give some specific property color on some of those non-performings so we get a sense of where you are in terms of the hands-on basis and what we should expect going forward. We had about a -- almost a 10% decline in book value from largely markdowns in the last quarter, and I expect with the number of the 5-rated loans, we'll see perhaps some more of that coming at us.

I don't know when we exhaust this "legacy period." That's really an interesting question that you could also cover and give us some view as to when we get past that and when we get to more "normal times." So there's a lot of questions. I'm sorry.

James Flynn: Yes, that's okay. I'll do the best I can, and Zachary, Jim, feel free to jump in at your leisure. So the question around the asset, I mean, without getting into kind of specifics by name, I'll give some thought. Yes, we have 5 REO assets. Those are all, or at least 4 of the 5, we're actively pursuing sales on those assets. And there's progress being made there. So our objective is to move those off the books as soon as possible, and we hope that and feel that we'll be able to do that.

But obviously the market has proved challenging today and for quite a while, getting buyers and sellers to agree on prices has been a -- even in the performing space, forget about non-performing, but it's been a very difficult environment across our entire lending portfolio. Lument as sponsor, not just LFT. Retrading on price has been a very normal business practice across the -- in the entire multi-family space and respectively, the entire real estate space. So we're working through those as quickly as we can.

To give you an example of some of the other assets and what we've dealt with in several instances, when borrowers -- some borrowers have been good actors who got overextended, and couldn't support their assets any longer and couldn't manage them, and have been cooperative, others have done quite the opposite. And we've had several instances of moving toward a foreclosure so that we can pursue a sale moving off our books, and then we have borrowers file for bankruptcy. And really all that does is cost money and delay the process. But nonetheless, it's done, and we have a few of those.

So part of the issue of resolving the legacy portfolio is gaining control of the asset, and depending on the jurisdiction, that is not always easy, or at least it's time consuming. So when you get to the last part of your question, which is when are we going to be through kind of the legacy portfolio or legacy issues. There's not a great answer I can give you. We certainly hope that over the coming -- in '27, we hope to be significantly moving toward being through that, but it's very dependent upon what happens in the market and how difficult it is to gain control.

So it's not a great answer for you because I can't -- unfortunately, I can't give it to you. I would say that if you asked that question a year ago, I would think that we would be further along as not just LFT, but as a market in resolving what is the challenged assets that exists in large part because of the run-up in values and subsequent run-up in rates and inflation that has been at the epicenter of what's happened in the multi-family space and real estate across the market.

I know that's not as specific an answer as you probably want, but that's kind of where we are, and I hope that next quarter and each quarter after that, you'll see progress and be able to track that and make a -- have an informed view of how quickly we're moving. Our goal certainly, and I said this earlier too, is to really accelerate this process. We don't think things are going to get materially better by waiting, and so we really just want to move as quickly as we can to move these assets off the books in a reasonable manner and then move forward with reinvesting and redeploying that capital.

Howard Blum: Well, you didn't really touch on the first question. And let me ask you to be specific. There were 12 loans that were scheduled to mature between September 30 and today. And I wonder if they paid off or how many went into extensions, or give us some color on current events.

Zachary Halpern: It's Zach, I appreciate the questions. They're all really good questions. You are asking some good questions about current quarter activity that I don't know that we're -- I haven't been given clearance to talk about. But what I'd say is, to Jim's point, there are multiple assets on the REO side available out for sale right now. We don't want to name them specifically because we don't want to disrupt sales processes, et cetera. We are working to resolve those assets over the near term of the newer vintage loans. And so you can compare a note dates to maturities. We don't have any issues in the newer vintage at present that are not being resolved.

Howard Blum: Okay, you didn't touch on the last questioner's inquiry about the preferred dividends. Are you comfortable that company expects to continue those dividends?

James Flynn: I mean, we and the Board have made the decision to continue to pay that dividend this quarter. It's a quarterly decision. We can't talk about future dividend policy on the call. That's certainly a Board's decision, but obviously we made that decision this quarter and have taken into account all the things that we've talked about. So I think you can -- yes, it's a fully informed decision when we made the decision to continue that dividend.

Howard Blum: And the comment was earlier made on your part that you're looking to do things that are accretive to shareholder value. The obvious question for many of us shareholders is, you have a buyback authorization in place that you've never used, and the stock is trading at less than 20% of NAV. And I wonder at what point you think it's accretive to shareholder value to exercise some of those buy-in rights?

James Flynn: Sure. I mean, I think mathematically there's -- it's accretive today, right? That's not -- that's a very simple answer, and it's an appropriate question, and it's an appropriate discussion. The only thing I would say is that is -- that among any other kind of redeployment reinvestment decision, it is a perfectly appropriate question for management and the Board, and it's one that we've evaluated and will continue to evaluate. Right now, our focus is on preserving liquidity, resolving the assets so that we are able to actually make those decisions, whether it's buying back stock or reinvesting into assets or any other use of capital.

So it's certainly something that we have discussed, but again, our focus is on ensuring that we are able to resolve and move through the existing issues in the portfolio before we make any decisions around reinvesting or redeploying capital in that way. So it's a fair and appropriate question. It's one that's certainly on our radar, but we are maintaining liquidity to get through the issues that we're managing through in the book.

Operator: And your next question is from Greg Bennett.

Greg Bennett: A suggestion, going forward, everybody wants to know what the status of the loans that have matured in the fourth quarter. Next time we do this, why don't we have -- why don't the Board of Directors or whatever give you authorization to let us know what the status is of those loans that have matured, how many those are -- or we can go back in the public material, I guess, but how many of those loans that have matured in the fourth quarter are, I'm going to call them legacy vintage, and how much of them are part of the newer loans?

James Flynn: I don't have the answer at the tip of my tongue about how, but if they matured in the fourth quarter of '26, then they would be certainly of an older vintage. Your question or you asked around providing some -- providing color on loans that matured in the quarter is there. We will provide an update on that information. Certainly, in many cases on the existing, they're in the process of a resolution that has not been signed. So they are in maturity default, but they are moving toward an exit. But we can provide more specific details going forward on that.

Greg Bennett: So Am I correct? All of these -- none of these were a payoff. These are all problems that you're working on an extension or sale, that none of them paid off on the date that they were supposed to.

James Briggs: I don't believe that any of them paid off, but they're not all problems, meaning they're not. Some of them are just working through refinancing with other lenders, or in some cases, us or going to agency. They're not all problems. But they are -- go ahead, Greg.

Greg Calvert: I would say -- I'm sorry, I'm looking at it in general. If they miss their maturity date, then they did not -- it's clear they did not pay off. But the group of loans that I'm looking at is, there are a mix of extensions for performing loans. There are some in here that needed extensions to finalize a payoff with another lender and others with a sale, and others, a handful of them, are working through workout situations. I hope that gives some color, but we certainly will provide more detail next quarter.

Greg Bennett: Yes, that would be a good idea. Or, my gosh, I don't know if your Board will allow you to -- I mean, it sounds to me like the last few calls, it's always good news is possibly coming or resolutions are possibly coming, but we have to wait till each quarter end. Possibly if good news is coming and you resolve these, maybe you can come out with an update in between the quarters, possibly. But maybe if your Board could consider that. Thanks for the hard work. Appreciate it.

James Flynn: I appreciate that feedback, and we will discuss that, but we certainly will provide more specific info at least at the portfolio level on maturities.

Greg Bennett: I'll make one other suggestion. Why don't you just liquidate the company or sell the company to somebody else? The discount in the book value, Mr. Market doesn't believe we're going to -- who knows what the discount is to the NAV, what's justified and what's not justified. Your investors have no idea.

James Flynn: We appreciate the call.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] It seems there are no further questions. Please proceed with the closing remarks.

James Flynn: Thank you all for joining today. We appreciate the feedback. We know that times have been challenging. We will continue to provide as much info as we can at the end of each quarter and review what we can or are able to do inter-quarter as well. Look forward to speaking again next quarter. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the conference has now ended. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.

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