FIP Q1 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

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Date

Friday, May 8, 2026 at 8 a.m. ET

Call participants

• Chief Executive Officer — Kenneth Nicholson
• Head of Investor Relations — Alan Andreini

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Takeaways

• Long Ridge Sale -- Signed agreement to sell Long Ridge to Mara Holdings for $1.52 billion, with expected net proceeds to FTAI Infrastructure Inc. (NASDAQ:FIP) in excess of $300 million due to purchaser assuming or repaying existing Long Ridge debt.
• Debt Reduction & Interest Expense -- Plans to reduce parent debt by at least $300 million, resulting in approximately $30 million in annual interest expense savings.
• Adjusted EBITDA (Consolidated) -- $70.6 million for the quarter, nearly doubling from $35.2 million a year ago; excluding Long Ridge outage impact, would have exceeded $80 million, representing a record.
• Rail Segment Performance -- Rail segment delivered $40.2 million of adjusted EBITDA on $85 million revenue, up 31% versus pro forma results for the prior-year quarter.
• Cost Synergies Realized -- $10 million of annualized cost savings enacted in the rail segment during the quarter, yielding $2.5 million EBITDA impact, with targeted annual cost savings totaling $23 million.
• Long Ridge Operational Highlights -- Adjusted EBITDA of $26.4 million; 73% capacity factor due to a planned 25-day outage; quarterly gas production of over 86,000 MMBtu/day exceeded plant needs, generating surplus gas sales revenue.
• Jefferson Terminal Growth -- Reported $27.3 million revenue and $14.4 million adjusted EBITDA versus $19.5 million and $8 million, respectively, the previous year, with volumes averaging 275,000 barrels per day due to new ammonia contract.
• Repauno Expansion Update -- Phase 2 construction remains on target for completion by year-end, aiming for full operational capacity in early 2027; combined asset capacity to handle over 80,000 barrels/day and estimated $80 million annual EBITDA once operational.
• Debt Refinancing -- Closed a new $1.35 billion term loan at the parent level with a 9.75% coupon, fully refinancing initial Wheeling acquisition debt; received commitments to refinance over $200 million of Jefferson debt.
• Rail M&A Pipeline -- Management highlighted an active pipeline with multiple acquisition opportunities in the North American rail sector expected to accelerate throughout the remainder of the year.
• Future EBITDA Growth Drivers -- Estimated in excess of $50 million of potential incremental annual EBITDA in the rail segment from new revenue sources, including additional propane carloads and integration with Repauno upon Phase 2 completion.
• Jefferson Capacity Expansion Potential -- Company is targeting discussions to expand terminal volumes to over 500,000 barrels/day, with a total annual EBITDA run rate of over $100 million possible if three new customer-driven expansions representing an additional $50 million in EBITDA are achieved.
• Repauno Monetization Outlook -- Management indicated confidence in the ability to accretively monetize Repauno starting next year, following completion and demonstration of Phase 2 earnings capacity.
• Cash Deployment Strategy -- Net proceeds in excess of $300 million from Long Ridge sale primarily earmarked for debt reduction, with additional potential for smaller rail acquisitions or retention on the balance sheet.

Summary

The announced $1.52 billion Long Ridge sale is set to generate more than $300 million in net proceeds for FTAI Infrastructure Inc, materially transforming the company’s capital structure. Management confirmed a $300 million debt reduction and $30 million annual interest savings plan, unlocking greater balance sheet flexibility. The quarter featured accelerated adjusted EBITDA growth, substantial realized rail cost synergies, and strong segment momentum at Jefferson and Repauno, with new contracts and expansions poised to drive further revenue and EBITDA gains. Active deal flow in the North American rail sector, backed by a stronger financial position, signals a significant near-term opportunity set. The company’s stated intention to monetize Repauno and possibly Jefferson next year provides additional strategic optionality for capital recycling and value creation.

• CEO Nicholson stated, "we expect the bulk of our long-term growth going forward to be driven in the rail sector," supported by accretive acquisition and integration strategies.
• Excess cash from Long Ridge proceeds may be allocated toward new rail investments, with management leaving all options—including buybacks—open for board evaluation.
• Jefferson’s near-term EBITDA run rate may exceed $100 million if three major customer expansions commence as anticipated, with current operational capacity up to 600,000 barrels/day.
• Rail cost savings initiatives have already captured $10 million in annualized reduction, with an additional $13 million targeted in the near future.
• Management expects further segment earnings diversification as overtime new contracted and pipeline business at Repauno and Jefferson comes online, separate from organic or uncontracted upside.

Industry glossary

• MMBtu: One million British thermal units, a standard measurement of energy commonly used in the natural gas industry.
• Capacity Factor: The ratio of actual output from a power plant compared to its maximum possible output over a given period.
• Transloading: The process of transferring cargo from one mode of transportation to another, such as rail to ship, frequently used at energy and bulk liquid terminals.
• FERC: Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, the U.S. agency responsible for regulating the interstate transmission of electricity, natural gas, and oil.
• EBITDA: Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization; a key profitability measure for infrastructure and asset-heavy companies.
• Phase 2 / Phase 3 (Repauno): Designated construction and operational expansion stages for the Repauno terminal, each unlocking additional throughput and EBITDA capacity.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Kenneth Nicholson: Thank you, Alan, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the call. As we typically do, we'll be referring to the earnings supplement, which you can find posted on our website. Before we get into the quarterly financial results, we're going to kick things off with a discussion of Long Ridge and provide some details on the sale transaction that we announced last week. I'm going to briefly walk through the transaction terms and then I'll talk a little bit about why we believe it to be an important and highly accretive event for our company. Just over a week ago, we signed an agreement to sell Long Ridge to Mara Holdings for an aggregate transaction value of $1.52 billion.

We expect to close the transaction in the third quarter of this year after receiving required regulatory approvals, and there are no other material conditions to closing. Existing Long Ridge debt will either be repaid or assumed by the purchaser, bringing expected net proceeds to FTAI in excess of $300 million. We're pleased with the outcome of the sale process and believe Mara is a great fit as the next owner of Long Ridge.

I want to recognize and thank Bob Wholey and the Long Ridge team for doing a remarkable job throughout the entire life cycle of our investment, developing the business plan building a power plant, acquiring gas reserves and turning on and maintaining operations to ultimately create what today is one of the most efficient and profitable power assets in the country. The transaction value reflects the uniqueness of the Long Ridge asset and results in a meaningful economic return for FTAI over the life of our investment. More importantly, the sale of Long Ridge will allow us to accomplish 2 key goals: First, deleveraging.

We plan to use the bulk of the net proceeds received at closing to repay higher cost debt at a parent level, resulting in lower interest expense and higher free cash flow going forward; second, increasing our focus on our core freight rail business. We expect 2026 to be an active year for our railroad with growth driven internally by integration of Transtar and the Wheeling and externally as we pursue a number of acquisition opportunities that leverage our existing platform. Having higher cash flow and additional debt capacity to fund acquisitions puts us in a good position to make accretive investments in the rail sector in the near future.

I'm going to flip to Page 4, and we'll talk a little bit more about deleveraging. As you may recall, our existing corporate debt contains terms allowing for repayment with proceeds from the Long Ridge sale to be made at a lower premium than would otherwise be due if funded with other sources of cash. So with less premium required, we were able to repay more principal. In total, we expect to reduce parent debt by at least $300 million and reduce our parent level interest expense by about $30 million per year meaningfully improving our leverage metrics.

We expect our leverage metrics to continue to improve over the next several quarters as we realize more integration efficiencies at our rail business and bring online new business at our terminals, especially Repauno. Turning to Slide 5, with the deleveraged balance sheet and higher free cash flow generation, we expect the bulk of our long-term growth going forward to be driven in the rail sector. We have an enormous opportunity set in front of us in the North American freight rail space and an exceptional platform from which to grow.

We expect the remainder of 2026 to be a particularly active one for the rail sector M&A, and we're actively evaluating multiple opportunities and look forward to reporting back on our progress. While we expect our freight rail business to emerge as the dominant source of earnings for us going forward, we're also excited about the future of our 2 terminals and are focused on ensuring that both Jefferson Repauno each reach their earnings potential with the view to monetizing both assets in the future.

Jefferson is currently engaged in conversations with customers for new business, representing at least $50 million of additional annual EBITDA and Repauno similarly is expected to complete its Phase 2 expansion at the end of this year and start revenue service shortly thereafter. Now we'll go into the results for the quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for Q1 came in at $70.6 million, up materially from $35.2 million for the first quarter of 2025. Given the investment activity during last year, year-over-year comparisons are less meaningful, but I can say that the quarter was a strong one that reflected great progress across our portfolio. At Long Ridge, we took an outage for 25 days that impacted revenues and EBITDA for the quarter.

The outage was planned but longer than typical as it related to inspection of the hot gas section of the power turbine, which requires more time but is only required to take place every 4 to 5 years. The inspection resulted in a clean bill of health, but did result in lost revenues for the quarter. Excluding the impact of the outage, our consolidated Q1 EBITDA would have exceeded $80 million for FTAI and represented a new record. It's important to note that our Q1 results do not reflect a tremendous amount of activity across our business that we expect to contribute to EBITDA in the future.

We provide some detail around some of those specific items and the math on the right side of Slide 7. Each of the lighter blue shaded bars represent specific items that require no incremental capital and are either already contracted or otherwise represent cash flow streams that we have confidence in. Importantly, the bar chart does not include any organic growth or new business wins that we believe could be material and also contribute to incremental EBITDA going forward. I'll quickly flip to Slide 8 and talk through the highlights of each of our segments. In our Rail segment, adjusted EBITDA was $40.2 million in Q1, up 31% on an apples-to-apples basis versus quarter last year.

Q1 was the first full quarter during which we had active control of the Wheeling and we've already begun to realize a portion of our targeted integration savings. At Long Ridge, EBITDA for the quarter was $26.4 million. As I mentioned, without the 25-day planned outage, we estimate that EBITDA for the quarter would have approached $40 million. Gas production for the quarter continued above amounts required to fuel the power plant. So we also generated revenues from excess gas sales during the quarter. At Jefferson EBITDA for Q1 was $14.4 million and included a full quarter of results from our new ammonia transloading contract. And at Repauno, construction of our Phase 2 transloading protect continues to progress on plan.

Once Phase 2 is operational, which is planned for early next year, we expect Repauno to be capable of handling over 80,000 barrels per day of natural gas liquids, generating approximately $80 million of annual revenue -- EBITDA. Moving to Slide 9, our detailed capital structure. During Q1, we closed our new term loan of approximately $1.35 billion. The net proceeds were used to repay in full the initial loan we issued in connection with acquisition of the wheeling last year. The new term loan represents the only debt at our parent level and carries a coupon of 9.75% per annum. As I mentioned, the loan is prepayable at a reduced premium with proceeds of Long Ridge sale.

So we expect the balance of the term loan to be approximately $300 million lower following closing of the sale. Also during the quarter, we received commitments for the refinancing of a little over $200 million of debt at Jefferson. The net result of everything is a stable balance sheet with no near-term maturities and a path for meaningful deleveraging in the coming months following the Long Ridge sale. Moving to Slide 11. We'll dig a little deeper into the results at each of our segments, and we're going to start with our railroads.

We posted revenue of $85 million and adjusted EBITDA of $40.2 million in Q1 compared with pro forma Q1 2025 revenue of $79.3 million and adjusted EBITDA of $30.6 million. Our actual reported results for last year exclude the results of the Wheeling. So we're showing pro forma figures to demonstrate where revenues and EBITDA would have been if we include the Wheeling stand-alone results for last year. Growth versus last year was driven by a combination of revenue growth from both higher volumes and rates as well as reduced expenses as a result of the initial impact of a large set of cost savings initiatives, which we started to implement in Q1.

I will note that the first quarter is typically the softest quarter for our business, especially at the Wheeling where volumes of aggregates and other construction materials always slow down during the winter months. So we're particularly pleased with our results for Q1. Flipping to Slide 12. We're off to a great start with the combination of Transtar and the Wheeling. We expect the combination to result in 2 sources of financial gains. The first is cost savings, which we expect to impact our results in the near term, and the second is new revenue opportunities, which we expect to occur over the longer term. Cost savings fall into 2 primary buckets: personnel reductions, purchasing power savings and reduced overhead.

In total, we're targeting about $23 million of annual cost savings, of which $10 million of annual savings was enacted in Q1, representing $2.5 million of EBITDA for the quarter. The additional $13 million of annual cost savings should be in effect in the relatively near term. On the revenue side, we continue to grow the list of opportunities now that the 2 railroads are operating as 1. Additional propane carloads are planned to start early next year when Repauno's Phase 2 commences operations. Additional carloads of propane should be substantial given the volumes originate on the wheeling and move to Repauno. And the pipeline of additional opportunities is substantial.

In total, we're estimating in excess of $50 million of incremental annual EBITDA potential from the various new revenue sources manifesting in the future. I'm going to shift to Slide 13, talk about Jefferson. At Jefferson, we reported $27.3 million of revenue and $14.4 million of adjusted EBITDA in Q1 versus $19.5 million of revenue and $8 million of EBITDA in Q1 last year. Volumes at the terminal averaged 275,000 barrels per day, driven by the start-up of the new ammonia export contract, which commenced in late November last year as well as increased volume of inbound crude oil during the quarter.

To date, inbound crude volumes have been unaffected by the conflict in the Middle East and the blockage of the Strait of Hormuz, as crude destined to Jefferson has originated largely from Saudi West Coast terminals. We continue to see crude volume steady so far in the second quarter. We're negotiating new contracts to expand our business at Jefferson. The largest opportunities we are pursuing are with existing customers and involve expansions of the services we currently provide to them. Our customers have been investing heavily in their nearby facilities to increase production and market reach, which will require more products to flow through Jefferson.

We hope to execute on all 3 opportunities during this year and commence revenue shortly thereafter. In total, the 3 opportunities represent in excess of $50 million of annual incremental EBITDA and utilize existing assets requiring little to no incremental investment CapEx. Now shifting to Repauno on Slide 14. Our primary focus at Repauno is on Phase 2, where construction continues to proceed as planned toward our goal of completion by the end of 2026, with revenue commencing shortly thereafter. We have long-term contracts in place for a substantial portion of our capacity and are seeing high demand for the remaining available space.

With the disruption in the Middle East, spreads for propane exports are extremely attractive and based on conversations we're having, we continue to expect to commence revenue service in early 2027 at full capacity. In the aggregate, we can handle a total of just over 80,000 barrels per day, representing $80 million of annual EBITDA for the combined assets of Phase 1 and Phase 2. And finally, on Slide 15, we'll briefly close out with Long Ridge. Given the pending sale, I'm only going to hit the highlights for the quarter. Adjusted EBITDA came in at $26.4 million in Q1 versus $18.1 million in Q1 of last year.

Power plant capacity factor of 73% was impacted by the 25-day planned outage as I described earlier. But away from the outage, the fundamentals continue to be strong with power prices and capacity revenue continuing at historically high levels. We averaged a little more than 86,000 MMBtu per day of gas production versus the little more than 70,000 required at the plant. We expect to maintain production significantly in excess of plant requirements and generate continued revenues from excess gas sales in the quarters ahead. So far in Q2, Long Ridge is off to a great start with capacity factor at 100% currently and gas production continuing in excess of our plants needs.

I'm going to conclude our remarks there, and I will now turn it back to Alan.

Alan Andreini: Thank you, Ken. Jason, you may now open the call to Q&A.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Brian McKenna from Citizens.

Brian Mckenna: So on the regulatory approvals for the Long Ridge sale, can you walk through exactly what these are? And then do you have any sense when the transaction will close in the third quarter? Are we talking the first half of the quarter or the second half of the quarter, et cetera?

Kenneth Nicholson: Really just one approval, FERC. There's a requirement to file with FERC. FERC needs to approve the change of control. That filing kicks off the process. I think that filing is imminent. It's possible the filing is made today, otherwise early next week. So that will get things started. The FERC regulatory process is not an exact science. It's not a -- there isn't a set number of days per se, but we don't see any reasons why it should be a prolonged process. I would guide folks toward the middle of the third quarter for regulatory approval.

Obviously, we would -- we're going to be using these proceeds to repay debt, so the sooner we close, the more interest we save on the debt we repay. So we're very focused on a speedy closing, and I know our friends at MARA Holdings share that view. So Hopefully, if we can do anything to accelerate closing, we will. But otherwise, yes, we feel pretty comfortable with the mid-third quarter target.

Brian Mckenna: Okay. That's helpful. And then in terms of the holdco debt paydown, the plan is to pay down $300 million of debt there. And then it looks like there should be another $50 million or so of remaining cash from the transaction. So I guess, is my math correct there? And then if you have, call it, $40 million to $50 million of incremental cash, what's the plan for that? And then I guess related with the stock trading where it is, I mean do you think about authorizing some kind of a buyback just to support the stock a little bit?

Kenneth Nicholson: Yes. Your math is correct. Final net proceeds will depend upon the timing of close, cash generated by Long Ridge between now and then, et cetera. So I don't have precision science. But you're right, there should be some excess cash. We can either use that to repay debt. We are permitted to just keep it on our balance sheet to fund acquisitions, and we've got a couple smaller situations that we think could be highly accretive in the rail space. And so we may choose to retain some of the cash to make those small investments. We have a handful of transaction fees as well that will crystallize at the moment of closing.

In terms of other uses for cash flow, look, I would just say we're, of course, always evaluating the various things we can do. We want to continue to grow the business. I still think the more likely use of proceeds is either to deleverage or otherwise invest accretively. But obviously, everything is on the table, and we and our board are always considering different options.

Operator: Next question comes from Craig Shere from Tuohy Brothers.

Craig Shere: So Jefferson is doing well, obviously, with the new contracts kicking in, in November. The volumes are up, but it looks like the per barrel unit pricing is somewhat softening sequentially and even a tad year-over-year. Could you provide any color on that?

Kenneth Nicholson: There's a lot in the mix there. What I can tell you is when you think about Jefferson's different business lines for refined products, crude oil and now ammonia. There are multiple contracts under which Jefferson provides those transloading services. I think a total of 7 contracts that Jefferson has with various customers, in some cases with 1 customer or multiple contracts or different destinations or rail handling or ship loading or whatever it may be. What I can tell you is there's certainly been no realized downward pricing for any particular contract or any particular product.

I think what's going on to affect those numbers is just a mix, a little bit more of a lower priced movement and a little bit less of a higher-priced moves, for example, crude oil. We have a crude oil. It's usually a higher rate because it requires more handling, sometimes it requires steam unloading and blending, and that can be at a much higher rate than then the refined products, which flow more easily and we handle more volumes of and so that's usually a lower price point. That doesn't mean 1 product conveys more or less margin. We may have a lower rate for refined products, but it's also a lot easier to handle.

And so the margins, in some cases, may be better than crude oil, even though crude oil is a higher priced product. So there's a lot going on there. There has been no deterioration in price for any particular contract. It's just a matter of mix.

Craig Shere: Got you. And maybe you could elaborate on the next steps for commercializing Repauno Phase 3 underground storage and potentially monetizing that business. Would it be reasonable to still think that could be accretively divested by mid-next year?

Kenneth Nicholson: Yes, I think so. Yes. There's plenty going on with Repauno and the natural gas liquids global trade market. Spreads are as attractive as I think we've seen them for a number of years. There are supply issues and terminal loading issues in the Marcellus and Utica for liquids that would be destined to Repauno, but there is significant demand at very attractive pricing. So recently, just with the conflict in Iran, we've had increased dialogue with a number of large NGL producers. And so we like that, of course, that bodes very well for Phase 3.

I didn't talk much about -- I didn't talk at all about Phase 3, just in our prepared remarks because at the end of the day, Phase 2 is really our core focus, completing -- it's so important to Repauno, completing the construction and starting to demonstrate the $80 million of annual EBITDA. We are -- we and management are singularly focused on Phase 2. But Phase 3 is continuing. It's not to say we've slowed down at all. I think in order for Phase 3 to be fully financed, fully committed, fully contracted on the construction work, we want to have all the commercial contracts in place. So we're in a good market environment to do that.

Frankly, in terms of the monetization of the asset, yes, I think next year is certainly doable. It's been important to us, and we think any buyer would really want to see Phase 2 complete and operating. And hence, again, the reason why we're so focused on Phase 2. But yes, I feel pretty comfortable with next year being a good year to think about monetization of Repauno and quite possibly Jefferson.

Operator: The next question comes from Greg Lewis from BTIG.

Gregory Lewis: I did want to go back to Jefferson. You kind of mentioned the incremental contract awards. How should we think about the scaling of that EBITDA from those existing service contracts that are going to start to ramp here?

Kenneth Nicholson: There are a number of existing customers who basically want to expand the volumes that they put through Jefferson. Particularly in this market, folks are considering alternate sources for crude, additional markets for refined products. So the scale is, look, pretty significant. I mean we're moving 275,000 barrels per day. With the contracts that we are discussing with customers, the expansions of business, we're targeting total volumes of in excess of 500,000 barrels per day. We have capacity, operational capacity at Jefferson to probably do closer to 600,000 barrels per day. We're pretty capped out with the existing infrastructure at that number. So at 500,000, we can handle all of that volume.

It's getting to the point where there would likely be incremental capital beyond that. But we're running at just under a $60 million annual EBITDA run rate currently, an additional $50 million between 3 primary new pieces of business takes us over the $100 million mark. That's been a kind of an emotional level for Jefferson now for quite some time, and I'm really hopeful we can get all 3 of these expansions done this year. And put Jefferson in a place where we can hit those numbers.

Gregory Lewis: Okay. Great. And then I did want to -- I did have a question on the relationship with U.S. Steel Transtar, realizing that, I guess, couple of weeks ago, U.S. Steel announced a major CapEx initiative at their Arkansas facility. Just kind of curious how you're thinking about that, realizing that currently we don't -- I don't believe we have exposure in that kind of a little pocket, but just how you think about that incremental volume of U.S. Steel there maybe creating more opportunities across the U.S. Steel rail network.

Kenneth Nicholson: Yes, good noting that. Yes, unfortunately, Arkansas is not one of the Transtar properties. But at the end of the day, the folks at Nippon committed a total of $11 billion in new projects. The Arkansas invest is about $2 billion of it. So there's another $9 billion to go. We're pretty sure about $5 billion of that remaining $9 billion is going to be focused on the Mon Valley in Pittsburgh and Gary Works. They, Nippon and U.S. Steel have announced a handful of projects at both the Mon Valley and Gary work. They're both a little bit smaller or involve refurbishing a blast furnace, not necessarily new construction.

But we feel pretty confident that there are some additional projects coming that will be very good news for Transtar at some point during the course of this year. So it's a big commitment from Nippon and we're, of course, eager, but we won't be benefiting from the Arkansas announcement, but I do think there will be some announcements coming that should be good news for us.

Operator: Next question comes from Giuliano Bologna from Compass Point.

Giuliano Anderes-Bologna: Congrats on the performance and the announced sale of Long Ridge. There is -- Switch topics a little bit. You're obviously deleveraging with the transaction. But until you have sold Jefferson or Repauno, how do you think you'd finance any incremental rail acquisitions?

Kenneth Nicholson: Probably with incremental debt, I think it would be the most efficient way to do it. Brian asked earlier about maybe some incremental net proceeds and what we might use those for. So there will be some cash from the Long Ridge transaction that could be invested into a rail acquisition. Otherwise, look, we're repaying debt. That opens up new debt capacity. And I think it would be much more efficient for us, particularly where we're trading right now to be an issuer of debt to make an accretive acquisition. And so I feel pretty comfortable we'll have access to the capital we need for whatever acquisition opportunities come up at the railroad.

Giuliano Anderes-Bologna: And are you seeing a good flow of rail deals in the market now? I mean, because in the past, you kind of mentioned that rail deal flow tends to be episodic and go in waves.

Kenneth Nicholson: Yes, very definitely episodic. There are -- but we are -- the stars are aligning, I would say, there are 3 things driving an increase in activity. One is, of course, Class 1 mergers, both pending and under, I would say, speculation when two Class 1s get together, it's pretty likely there are going to be divestitures of various lines, and that opens up a set of opportunities, carve-outs of short lines and regional lines. And so I think that's going to stimulate some M&A activity. Two, there was a lot of activity where private equity firms, institutional investors bought into rail sector 5 to 10 years ago. And most of those funds have 10-year lives.

And so many of them are approaching their mandated monetization time frames. And so we expect the number of assets held by institutional investors to come to the market over the next, call it, 6 to 12 months. And then finally, when you really think back, there are a number of large properties that are owned by individuals, very entrepreneurial individuals who really established their ownership all the way back in the Staggers Act in 1980, and 40 plus years ago. So they've owned these things for a very long time. They're starting to think about what they want to do going forward.

Values have grown materially since they first entered the business and so we're having dialogues with a number of just individual owners, who are starting to think about it. And so I think those dynamics are at play. And I think we're going to have a nice wave of M&A opportunities here in the next 12 months.

Operator: This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Alan Andreini for any closing remarks.

Alan Andreini: Thank you, Jason, and thank you all for participating in today's call. We look forward to updating you after Q2.

Operator: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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