Eagle Bancorp (EGBN) Q4 2025 Earnings Transcript

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DATE

Thursday, January 22, 2026 at 10 a.m. ET

CALL PARTICIPANTS

• President & CEO — Susan G. Riel
• Executive Vice President & CFO — Eric R. Newell
• Executive Vice President & Chief Real Estate Lending Officer — Ryan G. Riel

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TAKEAWAYS

• Net Income -- $7.6 million, or $0.25 per diluted share, following a $67.5 million loss in the previous quarter.
• Nonperforming Loans -- Reduced to $106.8 million, or 1.47% of total loans, down $12 million sequentially.
• Total Nonperforming Assets -- Declined to $108.9 million, or 1.04% of total assets, from $132.9 million (1.23%) in the prior quarter.
• Special Mention & Substandard Loans -- Lowered to $783.4 million, 10.6% of total loans, from $958.5 million (13.1%) at September 30.
• Provision for Credit Losses -- Decreased by $97.7 million to $15.5 million in the quarter.
• Allowance for Credit Losses -- Reached $159.6 million, or 2.19% of total loans; $73 million of this is reserved for office loans, representing 13% of the $577.1 million performing office loan book.
• Net Charge-Offs -- Dropped to $12.3 million, a sequential decline of $128.6 million.
• Loans Held for Sale -- Stood at $90.7 million at year-end, a decline of $45.9 million with $8.4 million in mark-to-market write-downs based on expected dispositions.
• Loan Sales -- $77.9 million in held-for-sale loans sold produced a $1.1 million loss and $6.3 million in disposition costs.
• Noninterest Income -- Increased to $12.2 million from $2.5 million, mainly due to absence of prior period losses and FDIC investment gains.
• Noninterest Expense -- Rose by $17.9 million to $59.8 million, primarily from $6.3 million in sale-related costs and $8.4 million in held-for-sale valuation adjustments.
• Tangible Book Value Per Share -- Increased $0.59 to $37.59.
• Tangible Common Equity / Tangible Assets -- 10.87% at period end.
• Tier 1 Leverage Ratio -- 10.17%, with CET1 ratio at 13.83%.
• CRE & ADC Concentration Ratios -- Commercial real estate ratio at 322%, down from prior periods; acquisition, development, and construction ratio at 88% at year-end.
• Brokered Deposits -- Decreased by $602 million during the year to $1.56 billion at year-end (excluding 2-way deposits), with a weighted average rate of 4%; $715 million of this is brokered CDs, targeted for significant reduction.
• Core Deposits -- Increased by $692 million throughout the year.
• Liquidity -- $4.7 billion in available resources, maintaining 2x coverage of uninsured deposits.
• Net Interest Margin (NIM) -- Fell 5 basis points sequentially to 2.38%, then guided to 2.6%-2.8% for 2026, driven largely by a reduction in higher-cost brokered deposits.
• Noninterest Income Guidance -- Expected to rise 15%-25% in 2026.
• Noninterest Expense Guidance -- Projected to decline between flat and 4% in 2026 due to normalization following nonrecurring Q4 2025 costs.
• Pre-Provision Net Revenue -- Reported at $20.7 million, reflecting $8.4 million in mark-to-market expenses and $6.3 million in sale-transaction costs.
• Loan Portfolio Dynamics -- C&I loans grew about $120 million, or approximately a 40% annualized rate, with typical new deals in the $15 million to $30 million range.
• Funding Mix Strategy -- Ongoing shift away from brokered funding to core deposit relationships, expected to continue improving profitability in 2026.
• Portfolio Reviews -- All loans exceeding $5 million in pass-rated office and multifamily segments are subject to quarterly monitoring.
• Loan Migration & Credit Review -- $43 million multifamily property moved to special mention status due to temporary stabilization issues tied to new supply, now subject to added credit enhancement structures.
• Management Outlook -- Forecasts expanding pre-provision net revenue in 2026, based on a lower but higher-quality balance sheet and improved NIM.

SUMMARY

Management attributed a turnaround in profitability to deliberate actions that reduced credit risk and improved asset quality, including a substantial compression of nonperforming and criticized loans. Strategic adjustments in funding, specifically the shift away from brokered deposits, contributed to a more resilient deposit base, with available liquidity positioned at $4.7 billion and uninsured deposit coverage at 2x. The company forecasted a meaningful rebound in net interest margin, guiding to a 2.6%-2.8% range for the upcoming year, and noted that noninterest expense is anticipated to normalize after the one-time elevation in Q4. With $90.7 million of remaining loans held for sale, two-thirds are already under contract and slated for resolution in the following quarter, while caution remains regarding incremental moves into held-for-sale, dictated by ongoing portfolio evaluation.

• Eric Newell stated, "We are going to continue to be prudent and use caution in terms of capital management," and identified a need for multiple quarters of sustained improvement before considering stock buybacks or dividend adjustments.
• Ryan Riel explained positive credit migration in the multifamily segment resulted from "improved performance at the property level" and "structural enhancements to that loan," with updated information on sponsor commitment influencing upgrades.
• Management confirmed all pass-rated office and multifamily loans greater than $5 million are undergoing quarterly review, and watch-list credits continue to be actively assessed for potential risk migration.
• Overall portfolio shrinkage is intentional, described as balance sheet repositioning to prioritize shareholder returns, with average loans and deposits forecast to decline but not from operational pressure.
• The bank aims for further reductions in brokered CDs, with intent to "reduce a lot of those CDs down to close to" and expects back-half stabilization in CRE balances to potentially support modest growth later in 2026.

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

• OREO: Real estate owned by the bank, typically acquired through foreclosure, awaiting disposition.
• ACL (Allowance for Credit Losses): Reserve reflecting estimated loan losses in the bank's loan portfolio under current expected credit loss accounting standards.
• CRE Concentration Ratio: The ratio of commercial real estate loans to total risk-based capital and reserves, used by regulators to assess concentration risk exposure.
• ADC Concentration Ratio: The ratio of acquisition, development, and construction loans to risk-based capital and reserves, indicating the level of risk from development lending.
• Pass Rated Loan: A loan graded at or above regulatory standards for satisfactory credit quality, not criticized or classified.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Susan Riel: Thank you, Eric. Good morning, and thank you for joining us. The fourth quarter marked an important inflection point for Eagle Bank. Over the course of the year, we took actions to diversify our balance sheet, reduce risk and strengthen the overall quality of the franchise. These efforts became clearly visible in the fourth quarter as asset quality metrics improved meaningfully and our balance sheet mix moved closer to the profile we believe is necessary to sustainably support durable earnings. Importantly, these improvements were the results of intentional decisions, disciplined balance sheet management and a continued focus on reducing concentration risk.

While these steps created near-term expense pressure, they significantly improve the underlying risk profile of the company and enhance our flexibility going forward. As we enter the new year, our focus shifts from remediation to execution, we are operating with a stronger foundation, improved asset quality and a more disciplined funding approach. This will position us to drive more consistent earnings and improve returns. I'll now turn the call over to Eric to walk through the quarter's results in more detail.

Eric Newell: We reported net income of $7.6 million or $0.25 per diluted share compared with a $67.5 million loss or $2.22 per share last quarter. Let's start with asset quality. The fourth quarter results reflected the trade-offs we discussed on our prior call. Credit stability supported book value, while planned held for sale loan dispositions created some pressure on fourth quarter earnings. In the quarter, $14.7 million was recognized relating to higher expenses associated with the disposition of held for sale loans as well as mark-to-market expenses.

At December 31, we had $90.7 million of loans held for sale, a decline of $45.9 million from the prior period, which includes $8.4 million of mark-to-market adjustments due to updated valuations informed by proposed or under contract disposition activities. We recognized $1.1 million of loss on the $77.9 million of loans sold during the quarter. At December 31, 2025, nonperforming loans declined to $106.8 million, down $12 million from the prior quarter and represented 1.47% of total loans. Slide 23 of our earnings deck shows the walk between linked quarters for inflows and outflows of nonaccrual loans. Total nonperforming assets declined $24 million to $108.9 million, representing 1.04% of total assets as compared to 1.23% in the prior quarter.

The land loan transferred to OREO in the third quarter was sold during the fourth quarter with a gain of $900,000. Special mention and substandard loans totaled $783.4 million at year-end declining $175.1 million from the prior quarter. This represents 10.6% of total loans at year-end, declining from 13.1% at September 30. Provision for credit losses declined $97.7 million in the fourth quarter and totaled $15.5 million. Our allowance for credit losses ended the quarter at $159.6 million or 2.19% of total loans. Of that total, we have $73 million of reserves associated with income-producing office loans representing 13% of the $577.1 million outstanding at year-end.

Net charge-offs declined $128.6 million from the third quarter and totaled $12.3 million in the most recent quarter. Loans 30 to 89 days past due totaled $50 million at December 31, up $20.8 million from last quarter primarily due to a participation loan, which was in the process of being renewed and was booked yesterday for closure. Office loans totaled $577.1 million, and of that total, $469.2 million are pass rated. Loans that exceed $5 million in our pass rated are undergoing quarterly reviews. Smaller office loans have stronger credit enhancements than the larger office loans that we've worked through cycle to date.

The fourth quarter saw dramatic reductions in our CRE and ADC concentrations as expected payoffs, resolutions and the completion of construction projects drove down our CRE concentration ratio, which is a measure of CRE loans to total risk-based capital and reserves. That ratio declined to 322% and the ADC concentration ratio, which measures acquisitions, development and construction loans over the same denominator declined to 88% for the company as of year-end. From an earnings standpoint, pre-provision net revenue was $20.7 million. Included in that is $8.4 million in held for sale, mark-to-market expenses and the $6.3 million in disposition costs related to loan sales.

Net interest income grew $144,000 to $68.3 million as the decline in deposit and borrowing costs outpaced a modest reduction in income on earning assets. NIM declined 5 basis points to 2.38% primarily driven by a mix shift between loans and cash partially offset by improved time deposit costs from reduced brokered time deposit usage. Noninterest income totaled $12.2 million compared to $2.5 million last quarter. The increase was primarily due to losses that did not reoccur in the fourth quarter and other income as a result of FDIC investments and the gain on the sale of OREO.

Noninterest expense increased $17.9 million to $59.8 million due to the $6.3 million in costs associated with the disposition of certain held-for-sale loans, and $8.4 million in valuation adjustments on proposed transactions for the remaining held-for-sale loan portfolio. Our capital remains strong. Tangible common equity to tangible assets is 10.87% Tier 1 leverage ratio is 10.17% and CET1 is 13.83%. Tangible book value per share increased $0.59 to $37.59 as earnings added to capital. Continued deposit growth and a rising proportion of insured balances underscore the resilience of our funding base. With $4.7 billion in available liquidity, we maintained 2x coverage of uninsured deposits.

During 2025, our teams have reduced brokered deposits by $602 million while increasing core deposits, $692 million, and we expect continued progress in 2026. The improvement reflects coordinated efforts among our C&I teams, branch network and digital platform. Finally, turning to 2026. We are optimistic about our ability to expand pre-provision net revenue, as outlined in our updated 2026 forecast on Slide 11 of our earnings deck. While we expect average deposits, loans and earning assets to decline on a year-over-year basis, this reflects deliberate balance sheet repositioning rather than operating pressure and reflects prioritization of shareholder returns and profitability.

Loan balances entering 2026 begin from a lower level due to paydowns and resolutions that occurred throughout 2025, and the investment portfolio runoff in 2025 further reduces average earning assets. On the funding side, lower average deposits in 2026 primarily reflect the continued runoff of brokered funding as we prioritize building core deposit relationships. This shift in funding mix is expected to improve profitability. As a result, we're forecasting a meaningful expansion in net interest margin with NIM expected to range between 2.6% and 2.8% for the year. This improvement is driven largely by a reduction in higher-cost brokered deposits.

Noninterest income is expected to increase by approximately 15% to 25% while noninterest expense is expected to decline between flat and 4%. Importantly, this reflects normalization following elevated expense levels in the fourth quarter of 2025, which was previously discussed and we do not expect to reoccur. Taken together, these trends support our confidence in expanding pre-provision net revenue in 2026 despite a smaller average balance sheet. I'll turn it back over to Susan for final comments ahead of the Q&A.

Susan Riel: The fourth quarter tangibly demonstrates the progress we've made at Eagle Bank executing on our strategic plan. The actions we took throughout 2025 to address credit risk, reduce loan concentrations and improved balance sheet quality are now clearly reflected in our results. We exited the year with an improved risk profile, higher core deposits allowing for reduced use of wholesale funding and improved visibility into the sustainability and trend of our earnings. As we look ahead, our focus will transition from foundational initiatives to consistent performance. While we are not yet where we want to be in terms of bottom line performance, we're optimistic about the franchises direction.

Before we conclude, I want to thank our employees for their continued dedication and professionalism. Their commitment has been instrumental in navigating a challenging period and positioning the company for the future. With that, we'll be happy to take any questions.

Operator: [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Justin Crowley of Piper Sandler.

Justin Crowley: Good morning, everyone. I wanted to start off on the asset dispositions, of course. Really encouraging progress, and it's obviously great to see not whole lot in additional loss through the sales that got done. I was wondering if you could talk just a little more on what's left in held for sale in terms of the expected timing. I know you mentioned some agreements in place, and you took the additional mark through the expense line. So maybe just the confidence level in the current carrying value, what's left there?

Eric Newell: Justin, this is Eric. At year-end, we had $90.7 million of loans held for sale and they are carried at the lower of cost or fair value. We did have that mark that ran through noninterest expense at year-end to take into consideration fair value, which is informed by under contract or negotiating to a contract on disposition of approximately 2/3 of that portfolio. Right now, 2/3 of that portfolio is scheduled for resolution and disposition in the first quarter, but it's not done until it's done. So it could bleed into the second quarter.

Justin Crowley: Okay. Got it. And then, of course, you have the wide-ranging third-party review, but what's the thinking or expectation on the potential, if there is any for any further moves into held for sale. Could this be it? Or is there a possibility that as we get through the year and credits with maturities a bit further out, perhaps get a closer look that you could see additional inflow into that bucket. What's kind of the thought there?

Eric Newell: And looking at the total criticized and classified portfolio, which is $783 million at year-end, down from $960 million. There certainly could be situations, Justin, where we might decide that selling the loan is the best strategy to maximize value to the shareholders. So I don't want to say that we're done there. There certainly could be situations that arise, I don't suspect you're going to see that at the pace of what you saw in 2025. And it's a case-by-case assessment.

Justin Crowley: Got it. And then I guess outside of office and maybe one for you, Ryan, but it's certainly good to see some what I thought was stabilization and actually some signs of improvement in multifamily. It looks like a handful of some of these larger watch-list loans, got some updated appraisals that show some breathing room. I was just wondering if you could talk a little bit about the trends you're seeing there. And at this point, we can maybe expect to see things continue to look better in that area?

Ryan Riel: I think that we'll continue to be proactive in the problem on identification on -- and looking at the portfolio on a regular basis as we have been. So what's in there you've seen, to your point, Justin, there's been some migration positively and negatively in that criticized and classified population. Valuation, again, continues to be strong relative to the office market, where we saw significant losses, obviously, right? The multifamily market, the valuations have held up. Cap rates in our region are still sub-6% when compared to the national average of just over 6%. So where we feel good about that and where our exposure is we're monitoring the income performance.

Some of these are in lease-up, recently delivered properties. So my prognostication is that you will continue to see stabilization and improvement within that multifamily portfolio.

Justin Crowley: Okay. And then just for the total loan portfolio, just as far as where the reserves shook out this quarter with the movement a bit higher, including the increase in the office ACL. Just like bigger picture, how are you thinking about eventually seeing that number move lower and maybe using it to absorb just any further charge-offs without the provisioning to match it.

Eric Newell: The office overlay or the portion of the ACL that's attributed to a performing office did increase, even though that's a qualitative aspect to the calculation, it's driven quantitatively by experience that we've incurred throughout the prior 12 months in office. And so when you quantitatively put that together, it's driving approximately 45% of reserves in our substandard loans about 50% of that in our special mention loans and 50% of that for launch. So when you put that all together, that's what comprises of the $73 million of reserves associated with the $577 million of performing office. So as we move forward and we have less loss content in our look back period, you'll see that ease off.

Justin Crowley: Okay. So the idea would be lower from here if all goes according to plan as you see it today?

Eric Newell: That is the way the calculation works.

Justin Crowley: Okay. And then maybe just 1 last one. I know it's 1 quarter here and there's still some work to do. But obviously, a lot of positive signs. And so when you think about capital planning over maybe the more medium term, how do you think about the levels you're at with maybe a clearer picture on loss content? And I don't know if it's a bit premature, but when do you think you could start entertaining a more offensive stance on capital management when you think about things like buybacks or the dividends. Again, I know it's kind of early days here, but just thinking a little bit more medium or long term.

Eric Newell: We are going to continue to be prudent and use caution in terms of capital management. I would point to the criticized and classified loan level and where we're at. We need to continue to see continued migration down. So a favorable trend. The 1 quarter is not a trend. So we need to see 2 or 3 more quarters. And we also need to see a more absolute level that's acceptable before management would consider talking further to our Board about additional changes in our capital management approach. By the way, Justin, you asked how we would characterize the level of capital, and I would say it's strong.

Operator: And our next question comes from David Chiaverini of Jefferies.

David Chiaverini: So I just wanted to follow up on credit quality. Clearly, a good update here. Can you talk about your confidence level that credit issues are behind you. Are you seeing any signs of lingering potential deterioration?

Eric Newell: David, I mean again, I'd point back to the criticized, classified portfolio of $783 million. There's a lot of prudent credit management process that we're putting around that. Finance, credit, special assets teams are looking at that portfolio. We also spend time looking at the watch portfolio to understand any trends that could cause negative migration into the criticized classified so given the level of review on this portfolio every quarter as well as pass rated multifamily and office loans that are greater than $5 million. They're undergoing a quarterly review as well. We're not seeing any developing new trends based on what we see today. And what we know today.

Susan Riel: I would just simply add to that. We have given problem loans and just loans in general, high attention that we're constantly looking at them. That will not change. We will not slow down on that. So we'll continue to focus on reviewing and monitoring our loans.

Eric Newell: Our expectation, David, will be that the criticized classified loan portfolio continues to decline throughout the year.

David Chiaverini: Great. And in terms of the dispositions, you mentioned 2/3 scheduled for the first quarter. It sounds like the level of buyer interest is high. Can you talk about what you're seeing in the secondary market? Are these private credit funds, are they other banks? And is that a fair characterization that the buyer interest is high for these loans?

Ryan Riel: So David, this is Ryan Riel. The buyers are a range of types of folks. The 2/3 that you're referencing that Eric referenced in his comments, there's a range in that population, too. There's investors that are supporting local developers to convert to an alternate use, some of the historic office properties. There's existing ownership that is looking at their situation and evaluating the go-forward plan and in some cases, being willing to come in and purchase their own debt. In each and every case, we've said this for a number of quarters now.

We are looking at every possible outcome in every possible path in determining on a case-by-case basis what the best path forward is to optimize the results for the bank and its shareholders. That continues to be the game plan in each and every case.

David Chiaverini: Great. And then on the loan loss provision on a go-forward basis, Eric, you mentioned back in October that you're hopeful to get to a normalized level in early 2026, how should we think about it from here? Are we kind of at that point of getting to a normalized level? And how would you kind of define that normalized level? Are we talking kind of where we were in the second, third and fourth quarter of 2024 kind of in that $10 million range. Any comments there?

Eric Newell: Yes, David, looking at the criticized classified portfolio level where it's at, I think that, that would inform a provision expense level that's a little bit greater than what you were indicating from 2024, just given that portfolio was smaller at that point. But we're not -- I'm going to speak to obvious here, but we're not going to see provision like levels that we saw in 2025.

But I think that there could be some provisioning expenses that are more heightened than 2024, given the level of where criticized and classified, but it's also important to say what I said last quarter, that capital will continue to -- or credit is not going to cause further degradation of book value.

Operator: And our next question comes from Catherine Mealor of Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods.

Catherine Mealor: One follow-up on credit. Just 1 follow-up on the credit on the special mention. It was great to see that decline. I know it looked like you had maybe an upgrade from substandard and then a new credit, but then you had some come off. And so I was just curious if you could give us a bit more discussion on the credits that were upgraded or came out of special mention, just some stories or color around what those credits were, what caused them to move out and just so we can kind of understand some of the puts and takes within that category.

Ryan Riel: Sure. So Catherine, this is Ryan. Big categories that help the positive migration there are improved performance at the property level. And then in certain cases, there are structural enhancements to that loan that may have been under considered, if you will, in the past with updated information and proof of the willingness and capability of those sponsors to stand behind their credits, we made some of those upgrade decisions as well.

Catherine Mealor: Got it. Great. And then I guess I'm going to maybe drag in on the provisioning piece. I think that's -- that's the biggest question we all have is where do we put our provision expense for '26. And I guess that's the magic number. But as I look at the reserve, I mean, it should be fair that we should see the -- I guess the question is how much of current expectations of losses you think are in the reserve? And is it fair as you continue to work through this level of classified, which to your point, Eric, is still very high, right, still 10%.

We still have a lot to work through, but your reserve is also very high over 2%. So as you kind of keep working through that, at what point should we see the reserves start to decline? And where do you -- where is the fair number or maybe a range of where that kind of trends to towards the end of the year?

Eric Newell: Given our 1 quarter of improvement. I think it's prudent for management to be cautious about where we think the provision expense and telling you all what we think provision expenses, we certainly have our views on it given what we've worked on. And I can tell you that we do expect the ACL coverage to decline this year. We do expect that there is potentially lost content in that $783 million, some of which we've identified and have reserved for through specific reserves, so it is sitting in ACL. But we also have some unidentified migration, portfolio migration that are things that we don't know about yet.

So I guess, Catherine, I probably I'm going to punt a little bit and try not to answer your questions with specificity until I think next quarter, if we have another continued trend, then I think we could be a little more focused in answering that question for you.

Catherine Mealor: Yes, that makes sense. That makes sense. Fair enough. And then maybe my last question is just it was nice to see the inflows of new credits flow dramatically this quarter, which we would have expected just given the portfolio review we saw last quarter. But just there were a couple of -- like you had a couple of inflows, new credits that kind of came into special mention, for example, that $43 million multifamily credit. So for the new credits that came in this quarter, what happened this quarter that your loan review did not catch?

And is there anything within that, that we should kind of be thinking about that would be a risk of new migration in the next couple of quarters?

Eric Newell: Yes. So with specificity on that $43 million loan, Catherine, that's a newly built multifamily property in a particular submarket of Washington, D.C. that's an inflow or influx of supply. So while this property was nearing stabilization, there is a sort of hiccup in that stabilization process because of that inflow of supply, reintroducing concessions in that submarket. Reacting to that, we worked with the sponsor to put in place a go-forward plan that has cash flow sweeps and other mechanisms in it to protect the bank. The reality is that the supply -- the new supply under construction in our region is very, very small. It's less than half of what it's been historically.

So with the passage of time, those units will be absorbed, those concessions will burn off and the stabilization will occur and we'll have enhanced credit structure on that particular loan through that stabilization period. So that's what happened in that quarter was just that, right? The information came through on the pickup in supply and the plateauing frankly, of that stabilization process.

Operator: Our next question comes from James Abbott of Diligence Capital Management.

James Abbott: I wanted to see if we could get some additional color on the C&I loan growth, it was about $120 million. That's about a 40% annualized rate. Could you provide a little context as to whether the loans are coming through SNCs? Are they bilaterals, maybe some yields, that kind of thing, just so that we can understand the color around those -- that type of production? And secondly, is it sustainable?

Eric Newell: So the growth of our C&I platform is a sustainable expectation that we should all have. The growth levels seen in the fourth quarter at that enhanced growth level is probably not a sustainable figure. Speaking to the diversity question, James, the portfolio -- the C&I portfolio does not have great concentration really in any industry. There are some syndications and participations in that number. That is not an ongoing strategy that we're going to employ. Evelyn and her team have done an excellent job of bringing in relationships with debt and deposit balances on the other side of the balance sheet. So that's where you see it, and the numbers are reflective of that.

You see actually greater in the fourth quarter deposit growth in the C&I book than you do loan growth.

James Abbott: Sorry, Ryan, could you just give us some sort of sense for maybe the typical size of those deals that were coming in during the quarter? Are they typically $5 million and $10 million or more $20 million and $30 million sort of relationships?

Ryan Riel: There's a range of it. I'd say the more on the higher end of the range that you just cited, probably 15 to 30. That's an off-the-cuff number. I'm not looking at the portfolio to justify it. But I'd say probably on average, it's in that $15 million to $30 million range.

James Abbott: Okay. And then also I had a question probably for Eric. Could you maybe give us some context for the cash level that you're holding and then the broker deposit level? And I suspect it's probably a negative spread at this point and you're probably working to address that. But could you give us a sense for what the broker deposit level is today? And then how much you anticipate bringing that down? Can you use cash to pay that down, et cetera?

Eric Newell: Yes. A couple of things. There was -- when you look at average cash in the fourth quarter, it was definitely higher than normal, and it was in anticipation of paying down a material level of broker deposits that were coming up for stated maturity. So we are holding that cash in anticipation of paying down those broker deposits. We have, on an average basis, we do have a third-party payment processor that does hold some deposits with us in the middle of the month that can cause the averages to increase at a high level, but it generally isn't a period and it doesn't impact period-end cash that much.

In terms of brokered deposits at year-end, we have, excluding 2-way deposits, we have $1.56 billion with a weighted rate of 4%. And we're going to continue to work that down through 2026.

James Abbott: And Eric, are there maturity dates on those that you could give us some sense for? Is it pretty spread out throughout the year? Is it -- and how much do you think you can attack? Do you think you can get rid of half of that in 2026? Or just any sort of context on that?

Eric Newell: Yes. Of the $1.56 billion in brokered, $715 million of that is a brokered CD. So there's -- I would say it's probably spread throughout the year. And our goal is to reduce a lot of those CDs down to close to 0.

Operator: And our next question comes from Christopher Marinac of Janney Research.

Christopher Marinac: I think that Ryan addressed a little bit of this question in the last few callers, but I was curious about sort of the surprises on the -- for past loans going bad in the future. It would seem that you have smaller loans, if that indeed is the case. And I just want to sort of talk through sort of where would there be larger loans that could surprise us that are passed now, but that could surprise if they were downgraded in the future?

Ryan Riel: The top 25 list shows where they are, shows the type of exposure there is. Again, these -- to Eric's earlier point, multifamily loans that are pass rated in size greater than $5 million, we're looking at on a quarterly basis. Office properties are there. There's not an asset -- there's some slight headwinds in the multifamily space, which is what we've talked about, again, with the back end valuation issue not there relative to what we've seen in office. The surprises coming into the substandard category, there was 1 particular land loan that we found out, had some characteristics in it that came to light during the last quarter, and they were material and impactful.

That's still -- we're working through that situation and coming up with the determination of where it is. The other transaction that came in the mixed-use residential into the substandard category. That is a multifamily construction loan that we're a participant and a 50% participant in that had some challenges relative to the agency takeout that is committed to on that. The workout plan has already been addressed. And in fact, we anticipate a full payoff of that by the end of this month. So that's a material thing.

It's also notable that 2 of the top 11 loans that are listed in the top 25 loan list in multifamily have been refinanced, and the aggregate balance there is about $130 million. So it's -- there's good and positive migration from a balance perspective, and we don't anticipate any fundamental issues like we've seen in office and therefore, the surprises should be limited with all the risk mitigation structures and processes we've put in place.

Eric Newell: And just to build off what Ryan is saying.

The theme here is that the proactive credit risk management characteristic or the behaviors that the management team with credit and align have deployed this year to reduce the amount of surprises that we may have seen in earlier years and periods and be very thoughtful about and having a high level of attention in identifying the primary source of repayment and if there's weaknesses or issues there, we will appropriately internal or risk rate that loan so we can monitor it and it allows us to intervene much earlier in the process which will maximize our options to maximize shareholder value in the event that there is some disposition that needs to occur.

Christopher Marinac: Great. I appreciate the additional color. And then, Eric, I know that the guide for '26 is to have shrinkage of the balance sheet. And I'm just curious if there's a point where you may get to where it's stable and grow slightly before year-end? Or do you think you'll be shrinking for the entire calendar year?

Eric Newell: I actually don't believe we're going to shrink for the entire calendar year. I suspect we'll see CRE that continue to decline in the first half of the year, and then there will be some stabilization in the back half of the year, which will then support growth, period end growth in the second half of 2026.

Christopher Marinac: Great. And the last question on -- sorry, go ahead.

Eric Newell: I was just going to add. The period end is a little different given that we're making money on the averages, and we're comparing the average -- the period end of 2026 compared to the average of last year. So that's why you're seeing that forecast in terms of declines on average earning assets.

Christopher Marinac: Got it. Great. And then just a last question. I know the C&I balances grew quarter-on-quarter. Are you still hiring producers in that part of the operation?

Susan Riel: We absolutely are still looking for strong producers in that area. Evelyn has her hand out there constantly reviewing and there are some candidates that we are exploring.

Operator: I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn it back to Susan Riel, President and CEO, for closing remarks.

Susan Riel: Thank you very much for your participation and questions during the call, and we look forward to seeing you again next quarter.

Operator: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating, and you may now disconnect.

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