Alpha Teknova (TKNO) Q3 2025 Earnings Transcript

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DATE

Thursday, Nov. 6, 2025 at 5 p.m. ET

CALL PARTICIPANTS

• President and Chief Executive Officer — Stephen Gunstream
• Chief Financial Officer — Matthew C. Lowell
• Senior Vice President, Corporate Communications — Jennifer Henry

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RISKS

• Persistent funding delays continue to limit large custom product orders to biopharma customers, directly affecting Clinical Solutions revenue.
• Management indicated, "Unless we see sustained improvement in the biotech funding environment or advancement through clinical trials of the therapies we already support, we expect only modest improvement in this end market in 2026."
• Gross margin remains highly sensitive to normal cost fluctuations due to smaller company scale, as discussed by Matthew C. Lowell.
• Guidance for fiscal year revenue moved slightly below the midpoint range, based on "persistent softness in demand for our clinical solutions products from biopharma customers in particular."

TAKEAWAYS

• Total Revenue -- $10.5 million, up 9% year-over-year, reflecting the fifth consecutive quarter of year-over-year growth.
• Lab Essentials Revenue -- $8.3 million, an increase of 16% compared to the prior year, driven by higher average revenue per customer and increased customer count.
• Clinical Solutions Revenue -- $1.7 million, down 13% due to lower average revenue per customer, partially offset by a higher customer count.
• Gross Profit -- $3.2 million compared to $0.1 million in the prior year; gross margin was 30.7%, up from 0.9% after non-recurring charges in 2024.
• Operating Expenses -- $7.2 million, down from $7.5 million in the prior year, due to a net reduction in general and administrative spending.
• Net Loss -- $4.3 million or negative $0.08 per diluted share, compared to a $7.6 million net loss or negative $0.15 per diluted share one year ago.
• Adjusted EBITDA -- Negative $1.6 million (non-GAAP), compared to negative $2.2 million after adjusting for one-time inventory charges in the prior year.
• Free Cash Outflow -- $2.4 million, unchanged from the prior year, as defined by management’s non-GAAP measure.
• Cash and Short-Term Investments -- $22.1 million at quarter end; total borrowings were $13.2 million.
• Employee Headcount -- 161 at period end, down from 165, with CEO Gunstream citing significant efficiency improvements from a historical level of over 300 employees at similar revenue.
• 2025 Revenue Guidance -- Reiterated at $39 million–$42 million, with full-year results now expected slightly below the midpoint.
• Gross Margin Target -- Management continues to aim for gross margin in the low 30% range for fiscal 2025.
• OpEx Outlook -- At least $8 million expected in Q4, reflecting a planned moderate increase in sales and marketing investment.
• Break-Even Scale -- Management expects adjusted EBITDA (non-GAAP) break-even between $50 million–$55 million in annualized revenue.
• Capital Requirements -- Management stated, "we do not need to raise additional capital to fund our organic growth strategy," based on expected growth and current liquidity.

SUMMARY

Alpha Teknova (NASDAQ:TKNO) delivered 9% revenue growth in the third quarter of 2025 compared to the same period in 2024, continuing its positive topline trend, with Lab Essentials as the primary driver while Clinical Solutions contracted due to biopharma market weakness. Gross profit and margin rebounded sharply year-over-year, as last year's results included significant non-recurring inventory charges; the company also reduced operating expenses through administrative cost controls. Management noted that the bulk of revenue, rooted in catalog products, maintained double-digit growth, and highlighted recent operational improvements as providing scale capacity up to $200 million without major investments. Revenue guidance for the full year was reiterated, though management now expects results slightly below the midpoint, and cited persistent softness in custom biopharma orders as the main headwind for the near term.

• CEO Gunstream said, "We also remain active in pursuing potential tuck-in acquisitions and collaborations to bolster our capabilities, reduce our time to profitability, and accelerate top-line growth."
• The customer base for Clinical Solutions products increased, even as average order value fell, due to new clients entering early-stage development pipelines.
• Management highlighted that 75% of the company’s revenue base, outside of custom biopharma, has grown at low double-digit rates, with increased demand in animal health, life science tools, and diagnostics.
• CFO Lowell said, "Gross margin was up over the prior year quarter and down sequentially," citing cost category fluctuations and reiterating the company's gross margin model of approximately 70% incremental revenue flow-through over time.
• New commercial hires will be modest, with net headcount growth in the commercial organization of fewer than 10 anticipated, as process improvements drive efficiency across sales, support, and marketing.

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

• RUO: "Research Use Only" — Products intended strictly for research purposes, not for clinical or diagnostic applications.
• GMP: "Good Manufacturing Practices" — Regulated quality standards applying to manufacturing processes for products intended for clinical or therapeutic use.
• Adjusted EBITDA: Non-GAAP earnings measure calculated as earnings before interest, tax, depreciation, and amortization, adjusted for items like stock-based compensation or one-time charges relevant to management analysis.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Jennifer Henry: Thank you, operator. Welcome to Alpha Teknova, Inc.'s third quarter 2025 earnings conference call. With me on today's call are Stephen Gunstream, Alpha Teknova, Inc.'s President and Chief Executive Officer, and Matthew C. Lowell, Alpha Teknova, Inc.'s Chief Financial Officer, who will make prepared remarks and then take your questions. As a reminder, the forward-looking statements that we make during this call, including those regarding business goals and expectations for the financial performance of the company, are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual events or results to differ.

Additional information concerning these risk factors is included in the press release the company issued earlier today, and they are more fully described in the company's various filings with the SEC. Today's comments reflect the company's current views, which could change as a result of new information, future events, or other factors, and the company does not obligate or commit itself to update forward-looking statements except as required by law. The company's management believes that, in addition to GAAP results, non-GAAP financial measures can provide meaningful insight for evaluating the company's financial performance and the effectiveness of its business strategies. We will therefore use non-GAAP financial measures of certain of our results during this call.

Reconciliations of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures are included in the press release that we issued this afternoon, which is posted on both Alpha Teknova, Inc.'s and the SEC's website.

Stephen Gunstream: Non-GAAP financial measures should always be considered only as a supplement to

Jennifer Henry: and not as a substitute for, or as superior to, financial measures prepared in accordance with GAAP. The non-GAAP financial measures in this presentation may differ from similarly named non-GAAP financial measures by other companies. Please also be advised that the company has posted a supplemental slide to accompany today's prepared remarks. It can be accessed on the Investor Relations section of Alpha Teknova, Inc.'s website. And now I will turn the call over to Stephen.

Stephen Gunstream: Thank you, Jennifer. Good afternoon, and thank you, everyone, for joining us for our third quarter 2025 earnings call. We were encouraged by our third quarter results. Revenue increased by 9% compared to the same period last year, making it the fifth consecutive quarter of year-over-year growth. That growth was driven by strength in sales of our Lab Essentials products, revenue from which grew 16%. We also executed extremely well operationally. I'm pleased with the progress we have made to prepare Alpha Teknova, Inc. for long-term sustainable, above-market growth.

Through investments we've made in distributor management, purchasing integration, and price optimization, we have succeeded once again in growing revenue double digits in catalog products, which represents the majority of our Lab Essentials revenue compared to the same period last year. We have also increased and diversified our clinical solutions customer base, which we believe will translate to significant revenue growth as these therapies and diagnostics move towards commercialization in the next two to three years. Operationally, we continue to execute extremely well. Key projects to drive operating efficiency and reduce costs, such as moving to electronic batch record, automating high throughput dispensing lines, and adding larger batch size capabilities, are on track and expected to be operational in 2026.

We are already seeing the results from previous investments through improved operational metrics such as on-time delivery, which allow us to further differentiate Alpha Teknova, Inc. from other reagent suppliers in the marketplace. The progress made operationally over the past couple of years has given us more confidence in our ability to scale Alpha Teknova, Inc. to more than $200 million in annualized revenue without significant additional capital investments. We also remain active in pursuing potential tuck-in acquisitions and collaborations to bolster our capabilities, reduce our time to profitability, and accelerate top-line growth. Now I'd like to turn my attention to the broader market.

As a reminder, we do not have material exposure to the geopolitical environment given that our sales are predominantly in the United States. Only about $1 million annually of our raw materials we estimate are imported, and less than 4% of 2024 revenue was directly attributable to government research institutes and academic institutions. Nonetheless, we do have exposure to changes in biotech funding because approximately 25% of our total revenue is derived from purchases of custom products by biopharma customers, most of which are supporting therapies in preclinical or early-stage clinical trials.

While the value of catalog products purchased by customers in this segment remained steady and growing in 2025, we have seen continued delays in larger purchases of custom products. Though we observed a sequential uptick in biotech funding in the third quarter, unless we see sustained improvement in the biotech funding environment or advancement through clinical trials of the therapies we already support, we expect only modest improvement in this end market in 2026.

Fortunately, the other 75% of our revenue from sales of catalog products and custom products across all other market segments has grown in the low double digits for the year-to-date period, and we are seeing an uptick in demand for customer agents in these other segments of the market, such as animal health, life science tools, and diagnostics. Taken together, we remain very confident in our strategy and are optimistic for the long term. First, we have a foundational business that is predictable and growing that can support the company until the biopharma market returns to historical growth rates. Second, we have demonstrated our ability to execute operationally and commercially.

And finally, we continue to attract and onboard new clinical solutions customers, which we believe in combination with our Lab Essentials products, will allow us to achieve a sustainable 20% to 25% top-line growth as therapies and diagnostics migrate from research to commercialization. I will now hand the call over to Matthew C. Lowell to talk through the financials.

Matthew C. Lowell: Thanks, Stephen, and good afternoon, everyone. Overall, we delivered great financial results for the third quarter 2025. As Stephen noted, revenue was $10.5 million, a 9% increase from $9.6 million in 2024. Once again, strong sales from the catalog portion of our Lab Essentials products drove our revenue growth in the quarter. Lab Essentials products are targeted at the research use only or RUO market and include both catalog and custom products. Lab Essentials revenue was $8.3 million in 2025, a 16% increase from $7.2 million in 2024. The increase in Lab Essentials revenue was attributable to higher average revenue per customer and, to a lesser extent, a larger number of customers.

Clinical Solutions products are made according to good manufacturing practices or GMP quality standards and are primarily used by our customers as components or inputs in the development and manufacture of diagnostic and therapeutic products. Clinical Solutions revenue was $1.7 million in 2025, a 13% decrease from $2 million in 2024. The decrease in Clinical Solutions revenue was attributable to lower average revenue per customer, partially offset by an increased number of customers. We expect revenue per customer to increase over time as a subset of these customers ramp up their purchase volumes as they move through the phases of clinical trials.

However, this metric can be affected by the addition of newer clinical solutions or GMP catalog customers who typically order less. Just as a reminder, due to the larger average order size in Clinical Solutions compared to Lab Essentials, there can be more quarter-to-quarter revenue lumpiness in this category. On to income statement highlights. Gross profit for 2025 was $3.2 million compared to $100,000 in 2024. Gross margin for 2025 was 30.7%, which is up from 0.9% in 2024. The increase was primarily driven by $2.8 million of non-recurring and non-cash charges during the third quarter 2024 related to the disposal of expired inventory and write-down of excess inventory.

Excluding those non-recurring and non-cash charges, the gross profit would have been $2.9 million and gross margin would have been 29.8%, respectively, in the third quarter 2024. The improvement in gross margin from 29.8% to 30.7% was driven primarily by higher revenue. Operating expenses for 2025 were $7.2 million compared to $7.5 million for 2024. The decrease was driven by an overall net reduction in general and administrative spending. At the end of 2025, we had 161 total associates compared to 165 a year earlier. Net loss for 2025 was $4.3 million or negative $0.08 per diluted share compared to a net loss of $7.6 million or negative $0.15 per diluted share for 2024.

Adjusted EBITDA, a non-GAAP measure, was negative $1.6 million for 2025, compared to negative $2.2 million for 2024, excluding the impact of the $2.8 million charge related to inventory. Now for cash flow and balance sheet highlights. Capital expenditures for 2025 were $400,000 compared to $300,000 in 2024. Free cash outflow, a non-GAAP measure, which we report as cash used in operating activities plus purchases of property, plant, and equipment, was $2.4 million for 2025, which was the same as 2024. Turning to the balance sheet. As of September 30, 2025, we had $22.1 million in cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments, and $13.2 million in total borrowings. Now for our outlook.

We are reiterating 2025 total revenue guidance of $39 million to $42 million. Based on persistent softness in demand for our clinical solutions products from biopharma customers in particular, we now expect to finish slightly below the midpoint of that range. Revenue from sales of our catalog products, which represents the majority of our Lab Essentials and a small portion of Clinical Solutions revenue, was up at a mid-teens growth rate in the third quarter 2025 as spending on discovery work continues to be robust in certain pockets of the market.

On the other hand, growth was minimal from custom products, which represent a modest portion of Lab Essentials and a large majority of Clinical Solutions revenue, as the macro environment remains favorable for early-stage small to mid-sized biopharma customers and for their clinical work in particular. As we look into next year, we expect modest growth in custom biopharma products, representing about 25% of our total revenue, and low double-digit growth in the remaining 75% of total revenue, which is not as impacted by the weak biotech funding environment. Gross margin was up over the prior year quarter and down sequentially.

As we explained at the time, during the second quarter, several cost categories that normally fluctuate skewed favorably, whereas this quarter, the effect was more balanced. Our gross margins are very sensitive to the effect of these fluctuations due to the size of our business. We still believe that over longer periods of time, approximately 70% of incremental revenue will flow through to gross profit. Our gross margin target for fiscal year 2025 remains in the low 30s.

Although we ended the third quarter below target spending levels, partly due to timing considerations, we continue to expect operating expenses of at least $8 million in the fourth quarter, allowing us to moderately increase our investment in sales and marketing compared to last year, positioning ourselves for the market's broader recovery. At these spending levels, we continue to believe we will become adjusted EBITDA positive in the range of $50 million to $55 million in annualized revenue. The company continues to expect free cash outflow of less than $12 million for the full year 2025.

As we have communicated previously, based on reasonable assumptions about future growth and spending, plus current liquidity, we believe that we do not need to raise additional capital to fund our organic growth strategy. With that, I will turn the call back to Stephen.

Stephen Gunstream: Thanks, Matthew. We believe the long-term outlook for our end markets remains positive, and we are committed to helping our customers accelerate the introduction of novel therapies, diagnostics, and other products that improve human health. We will now take your questions.

Operator: Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press 11 again. The first question comes from the line of Mac Ecintosh of Stephens Inc. Your line is now open.

Mac Ecintosh: Good afternoon. Appreciate you taking my questions. Maybe just to start, you know, just given the recent rhetoric around MFN pharma tariffs and just the subsequent announcements around onshoring capacity and pharma production. How have customer conversations trended thus far into the second half of this year?

Stephen Gunstream: Yeah. Thanks, Mac. So I would say, you know, we like the idea of these leading indicators, whether it's biotech funding or the MFN results, but we're not yet seeing the impact from the customer. So I think there's optimism across the board. But the actual actions of maybe purchasing more, ramping up purchases, we have not yet seen, which is why, you know, we've been here before, and we want to make sure that we're cautious and seeing that, you know, when these things start to happen and they're sustained for an extended period of time, we believe it'll impact this sort of the emergent therapy side.

But at this point in time, I would say we're seeing some nice growth in the large pharma. We're actually seeing some nice growth in some of the emerging therapeutic companies that have been purchased by larger companies. But those that are still constrained by capital are operating in a way that they're rationalizing the pipeline or slowing things down at the moment. So at this point in time, Mac, there's been pretty limited conversations about ramp-up in spend there.

Mac Ecintosh: Okay. Fair enough. I'd also like to get a little bit of an update on the RUO plus initiative. It's been, you know, call it a little over a year since that's been put into place. Is there any update on how the efforts are trending there?

Stephen Gunstream: It's an important part of our portfolio, and it fills a really nice gap for us. And, you know, we put a lot of effort and investment into this new facility. We have a lot of customers that want to use the new facility but are not quite ready for GMP. And it's a great landing spot for them where they can get their products made in the facility, get a lot more flexibility in their formulations. They get sort of an improved quality that is very similar to GMP, but not quite all the way to GMP, at a price that's not the exact same as GMP. Right?

So for us, it allows us to get a little bit of a price premium for using that facility, but not actually committing them to some more controls around the changes they want to make and get their products to them sooner. So this is a really nice landing spot. We're seeing customers come in there. Those will sit in that Lab Essentials business because it's part of their research use only. And the goal there is obviously to migrate them to GMP. And we see a lot of customers actually sitting in that pathway right now.

Mac Ecintosh: It's great to hear. I appreciate the context. I'll leave it there.

Operator: Thank you. Our next call comes from the line of Brendan Mychal Smith of TD Cohen. Your line is now open.

Brendan Mychal Smith: Great. Thanks, guys, for taking the questions. Appreciate all the color on actually the funding environment impact or potential impact into next year. Actually, just wondering if you could maybe give really any more color there on actually the expected product mix that could kind of come in some of these different scenarios that might help drive that compensation you're talking about the possibility of a more protracted biotech slowdown. Just really just wondering if there are any specific products within that custom portfolio that you're seeing particular interest in and what maybe your expectations are for those into next year.

Stephen Gunstream: So, Brendan, if you're asking about, like, what type of product mix we typically sell into the custom biopharma. Is that correct? And how we see that changing over time?

Brendan Mychal Smith: More yeah. More specifically, like, into next year. You know, if you're confident that, you know, the rev mix that you're seeing now could kind of compensate for any potentially protracted biotech funding slowdown? Just kind of wondering if there are specific products within there that you're kind of, you know, seeing a special interest into next year that could help drive that.

Stephen Gunstream: Yeah. Maybe I'll I'll I think I think what you're after is sort of you know, obviously, there could be and we expect some continued conservation of capital in the biotech environment, particularly around emerging markets over the next, you know, I don't know, say, six to twelve months. Very fortunate that 75% of our business is growing double digits, and we're actually seeing it almost entirely across the board across every market segment. And I actually all three of our primary product lines of agar plates, cell culture media, and buffers. So we're pretty excited about actually that side of the business and how well we're performing there.

We do see an increase in interest on actually the tools and diagnostic side, where we supply a number of products both for the discovery, but also in that custom into clinical trials. And so, you know, the combination of having this sort of increased number of clinical customers right now as we go through this period with this predictable baseline growth that is in the double digits. And I will say that, you know, that is very similar to the business that was here before we made a lot of these investments that grew between 2019 and 2022, 12%. We're back to that level, if not higher at times.

So feel like we're in a really good spot to let the rest of our strategy play out on the therapeutic side. And we're working on bringing on more of these customers in these other market segments.

Brendan Mychal Smith: Got it. Makes sense. Thanks, guys.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Richard Larew with William Blair. Your line is now open.

Matthew Richard Larew: Good afternoon. Matt, your comments on 2026, you know, if you've got 75% of the revenue growing low double digit, and modest growth of 25%, that seems to suggest something around 10% as a starting point. So I guess, is that math right? And then on the clinical solutions side, you've called out a couple times this year the growth in the number of customers. I know that's a metric you update annually. But maybe just if you can help us how that is tracking new customer acquisitions relative to perhaps years past and your expectations this year.

Matthew C. Lowell: Yeah. Thanks, Matt. Yeah. Obviously, you know, it's a little bit early to be really commenting with precision on 2026, and we'll certainly do that in our next call when we report year-end earnings. But, thought it might be useful to provide some high-level thoughts about where we see things today. And you're right. Kind of in this, we've kind of focused on these two components of the business, the 25% we've been about in custom biopharma and the 75% the rest, basically. And, as Stephen outlined in his comments, then we have the market environment has been relatively stable the last couple of quarters in that custom biopharma or also known as bioprocessing in our business.

And, we are not seeing any strong indicators yet that's gonna be changing in the near term. But we'll be, of course, updating that view every quarter, and we will have some more data points here by the time of our next call, obviously. But on the other hand, we as Stephen just highlighted, the rest of the business performing really well. And, and then similarly, don't see that changing in the near term, and that's a great thing to have the diversity in the portfolio to have two pieces. You know, even though they're working in different directions at the moment.

But, yes, I think in general, you know, that's that's kind of the math that we see at the moment. And, in terms of the overall development of the clinical solutions business, we have been adding customers there. And we will be reporting at the end of the year kind of where those numbers land for the year once we're done. We continue to see increases of the larger-sized customers, although, you know, the mix can sometimes change between the end markets as Stephen was pointing out. Could be, you know, some differences in life sciences, and tools DX, of course, versus biopharma, for example.

But in either case, we're happy to onboard those customers and have them as, you know, customers with significant revenue potential going forward. So, yeah, it's it's it's looking good, and the and the makeup of it is maybe changing a little bit, but we'll see how we finish the year.

Stephen Gunstream: I'd just add, Matt, that you know, on that particular thing, when we talk about increasing, I think it's particularly a positive statement that we're increasing despite companies that we supported last year are really no longer in many ways. Right? So we have to overcome that barrier and then add new ones. So I feel like the team's executing really well there. Of course, there's always more we could do, and at the end of the year, we'll give you guys a better update on that.

Matthew Richard Larew: Okay. You know, within kind of the new modality world, you know, cell gene therapy, there's been, I call, like, a kind of a grab bag of clinical updates throughout the year, some quite positive. Particularly in some recent gene therapy indications, some perhaps more negative. And, obviously, we're we're now a bit a year or so into some of the fast track efforts, whether it's Fast Track or RMAT, whatever it might be. Just within your customer group, what's your exposure like to those various like, subgroups? And, you know, do you have customers that have an opportunity to participate in the in these programs, and how has that affected either their demand or how they're working with you?

Stephen Gunstream: Yeah. I think it's also fair to say it's been a grab bag for us. Where we have some that have done quite well and are participating in some of those programs and some that are really constrained recently. I know at the end of 2024, we didn't talk about the number of clinical customers we had with 48. Of which 39 were 39 that were biopharma related, 23 were cell and gene therapy. Right? So that kind of gives you the idea of the exposure that we had at the end of 2024. I don't think it's changed drastically, Matt, but I think there are some there that are later stage that are actually executing the plan.

There are some that have been acquired. And are the new party is actually running those and executing those. And there's some there that you know, I would say they're more sensitive, but are more an mRNA or some of the sort of sensitive gene therapy areas that have been, you know, both positive and good. Positive and negative over the past year. So we're kind of we're you know, as a company, because, you know, our specialty is making these custom small batches of reagents that are not specifically tied to a therapy that we're kind of participating in all sides of that market, if that makes sense.

Matthew Richard Larew: Okay. Just the last one for me. Gross margins year to date are up about 600 basis points and that's despite Clinical Solutions' being, you know, flattish, slightly down. Year to date, so, you know, largely scale driven. You referenced, Matt, a number of I guess, both completed and processed and planned projects to continue to improve efficiency. I know scale is a big piece. Is that kinda the right gross margin improvement trajectory to think about? Or are some of the projects you referenced more or less impactful in terms of go forward?

Matthew C. Lowell: Yeah. I think thank you for highlighting those initiatives, Matt. We are working on a lot of things. We've already completed and things we're still working on for next year. I would say, you know, the key driver for margin performance over multiple quarters, not just in a single quarter, is this, you know, high fixed cost, low variable cost mix in our cost profile that we have. Or, again, we've talked about this 70% of incremental revenue flowing through the projects. You know, we'll change that a little bit, but I would say, overall, that is gonna still thematically the strongest piece. So as you can see, though, from quarter to quarter, there is variation against that 70%.

I would say that the 70% is the most realizable in, like when we talk about cash, 70% of cash dropping through, sometimes due to other types of accounting for inventory and production. We can see some of the variations that we've seen, you know, this quarter and the last quarter as two examples on each way. But I think I think overall, we still have a very high fixed cost makeup and, and that is gonna allow us to continue driving strong performance into next year. Commensurate with the growth that we're expecting.

Operator: Our next call comes from the line of Toliver Tovarys Corman with Craig Hallum. Your line is now open.

Toliver Tovarys Corman: Hello. Thanks for taking the question. You talked about process improvements taking effect in '26. Are there any other areas you're looking to drive more efficiencies? Thank you.

Stephen Gunstream: Yeah. Of course. I mean, this is a constant theme here. You know, since we started on this journey about five years ago, we mapped out a lot of these processes that we felt like are inefficient. And now we're we put the IT infrastructure and the systems in place that we can really track and identify those areas. So, we're always looking at efficiencies. Now there's there's a couple different kinds. Right? So on the operational side, you know, you can look at labor and direct labor savings. But, of course, if we can get more output with the same fixed cost, right, that drives a lot of a lot to the bottom line.

And will allow us to keep the same number of, say, headcount as we ramp up in revenue. And in fact, you know, you heard in the in the transcript, we have a 161 employees at the end of Q3. Now there was a time where we're actually over 300 with a similar revenue amount. So you know, significant work has gone into driving efficiency across the board, and we won't stop that as we go forward. So you know, there's efficiency in the operations, but then there's efficiency in all the other supporting functions as well. So a lot of lot of IT infrastructure here, a lot of processes being optimized around metrics.

And that even and that even rolls all the way to the commercial side. Right? How do we do more with the same number of people? And so, you know, it's just a mantra here more than anything else. Than probably you know, it would take us a long time to go into all the details here, but I think you can kinda see that from a company. You know, we have, like, two major focuses. One is how do we drive top line and continue that going forward? As we wait for these customers to come all the way through the therapeutic pipeline?

As well as then how do we continue to optimize our processes, whether it's operations commercial, HR, you name it.

Toliver Tovarys Corman: Thank you.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Mark Massaro of BTIG. Your line is now open. Hello. This is Vivian on for Mark. Thanks for taking the questions. I'll actually just keep it to one.

Vivian: So I think you touched on briefly maybe some incremental spend on the Salesforce. I'm just trying to get ahead of a recovery in funding. Could you just remind us where your Salesforce sits today and kind of at what levels you might feel right-sized?

Stephen Gunstream: Thanks. Yeah. And people often talk to us about how many people you have in the field, and we think about it much more broadly as a commercial organization. So you know, we're talking about modest increases here as said, since the beginning of the year where we're talking maybe a couple headcount here and there. But, again, back to the last comment, a lot of these are process improvements that were driving efficiency. So think what you'll see over the course of the next year is, you know, less than 10 headcount increases overall for the entire commercial organization, including customer support and marketing and, field sales.

Vivian: Understood. Thanks for taking the question.

Operator: I'm showing no further questions at this time. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

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