T Rowe Price (TROW) Q4 2025 Earnings Transcript

Image source: The Motley Fool.

DATE

Wednesday, Feb. 4, 2026 at 8 a.m. ET

CALL PARTICIPANTS

• Chief Executive Officer — Robert W. Sharps
• Chief Financial Officer — Jennifer Benson Dardis
• Head of Global Investments — Eric Lanoue Veiel

TAKEAWAYS

• Assets Under Management (AUM) -- $1.78 trillion at year-end, up over 10% from the prior year, despite $56.9 billion in net outflows primarily from equity and mutual funds.
• Net Outflows -- $56.9 billion for the year, including $25.5 billion in Q4, with $75 billion from equity and nearly $64 billion from mutual funds in 2025.
• Gross Sales -- Increased year over year and rose over 40% compared to 2023, but higher redemptions from performance shortfalls and portfolio rebalancing offset this growth.
• Investment Performance -- On an asset-weighted basis, 49% of funds outperformed peers on a one-year basis, 56% on three years, 46% on five years, and 61% on ten years.
• Fixed Income and Alternatives -- Both segments recorded positive net flows for the full year, with fixed income achieving eight consecutive quarters of positive net flows.
• Target Date Franchise -- Ended with $5.2 billion in net inflows and maintained leadership in active solutions, while the blend category gained market share.
• ETF Business -- $1.8 billion in net inflows during Q4 and $10.5 billion in 2025; launched 13 ETFs, bringing the total to 30 and AUM to over $21 billion.
• Performance-Based Fees -- $14.2 million for Q4, up sequentially but down from Q4 2024; full-year fees totaled $37.4 million, a decline from 2024’s $59.3 million.
• Adjusted Diluted EPS -- $2.44 for Q4, with full-year figure at $9.72, up 4.2% on higher average AUM and lower share count.
• Adjusted Net Revenue -- $1.9 billion for Q4 and nearly $7.4 billion for the year, a 2.8% increase driven by AUM growth.
• Adjusted Operating Expenses -- $1.2 billion for Q4; full-year expenses (excluding carried interest) reached $4.6 billion, up 3.4% and within prior guidance of 2%-4% growth.
• 2026 Expense Guidance -- Management projects adjusted operating expenses (excluding carried interest) will rise 3%-6%, incorporating expense management and market-driven factors.
• Buybacks and Capital Return -- $141 million in share repurchases during Q4, totaling $624.6 million for 2025, representing 2.8% of shares outstanding; $1.8 billion in total capital returned to stockholders for the year.
• Balance Sheet Liquidity -- $3.8 billion in cash and discretionary investments at year-end, up $735 million from the beginning of the year.
• Dividend Track Record -- Thirty-ninth consecutive annual increase in regular dividend since IPO in 1986.
• Strategic Partnerships -- Announced collaboration with Goldman Sachs including new co-branded model portfolios and a January launch on the Morgan Stanley platform; established first strategic partnership in the Middle East with First Abu Dhabi Bank in January 2026.
• Product and Geographic Expansion -- Launched retirement products with Asian partners, marking first US asset manager to offer such products to retail investors in Hong Kong and Singapore; realized growth in Canadian target date series.
• Alternatives Platform Initiatives -- Closed first firm-managed private equity fund in January 2026; OHA raised $16 billion in capital for 2025 and achieved a second consecutive record fundraising year.
• Technology and Innovation -- Created new technology data and operations function, advanced artificial intelligence adoption, and maintained focus on cost savings to drive reinvestment.
• Tokenization Efforts -- Registered an active crypto ETF for 2026 launch and is investing in efficiency, product, and distribution opportunities with blockchain and tokenization.

Need a quote from a Motley Fool analyst? Email pr@fool.com

RISKS

• Management stated net outflows were "greater than anticipated and were driven by performance shortfalls in certain strategies and from portfolio rebalancing due to elevated equity markets."
• "Flows in the fourth quarter were meaningfully softer than we anticipated, especially in the month of December," due primarily to equity pressure and retirement fund outflows, including lost mandates from M&A activity.
• Fully active target date funds are facing market share erosion as "fully active target date funds are losing share to passive and blend," presenting a structural headwind to that product line.
• Average effective fee rate continued to decline, with Q4’s 38.8 basis points down from Q3’s 39.1, reflecting a "Over time, we've seen a growing proportion of our gross sales going to fixed income and multi-asset, and to lower-priced vehicles like ETFs, trusts, and SMAs, while redemptions remain primarily concentrated in higher-priced equity strategies and mutual funds." and sales pressure in higher-fee equity strategies and mutual funds.

SUMMARY

T. Rowe Price Group (NASDAQ:TROW) grew assets under management to $1.78 trillion, supported by strong market returns that more than offset substantial net outflows, particularly in equities and mutual funds. Management highlighted an ongoing shift in asset mix toward lower-fee products such as ETFs and fixed income, driving both revenue dynamics and declining average fee rates. The company maintained positive flow momentum in fixed income, alternatives, and multi-asset segments, with notable product innovation in retirement and ETF strategies. Strategic global collaborations, including agreements with Goldman Sachs and First Abu Dhabi Bank, were advanced alongside the launch of new retirement and technology initiatives. Operational efficiency and cost discipline were emphasized, with 2026 expense guidance reflecting continued expense management and reinvestment in growth areas.

• Management reported the launch of a firm-managed private equity fund and OHA’s second consecutive record year in private credit capital raising, highlighting further alternatives business growth.
• The company has registered an active crypto ETF with plans for a 2026 launch, broadening its product suite into digital assets.
• Share buybacks accounted for $624.6 million in 2025, with management reiterating a strategic commitment to returning capital and maintaining a strong cash position for future opportunities.
• Global expansion included new retirement funds in Asia, a growing Canadian business, and the firm’s first Middle East partnership, widening international diversification.

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

• OHA: Oak Hill Advisors, LLC; the firm's alternatives platform focusing on credit and private lending strategies.
• SMAs: Separately Managed Accounts; investment portfolios managed on behalf of individual clients, typically offering customization and direct ownership of underlying securities.
• GOL platform: Goldman Sachs OneLens platform, used for distributing co-branded model portfolios and investment products.
• Blends/Blend Category: Target date funds that combine active and passive investment management approaches.
• Tokenization: The process of representing traditional financial assets using blockchain technology for efficiency and fractional ownership benefits.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Robert W. Sharps: Thank you, Linsley, and thank you all for joining today's call. 2025 brought a third straight year of strong global market returns, though it remains a narrow market dominated by a handful of mega-cap stocks, and with riskier names outperforming quality and value. While this market growth served as a tailwind for our assets under management and investment advisory revenue, it was not an environment that was highly conducive to fundamental research, active management, and long-term investing. But we did see some evidence of the market broadening in the fourth quarter, which would be a positive for fundamental research-driven active management.

We closed the year with $1.78 trillion in assets under management, up over 10% from the start of the year despite $56.9 billion in net outflows. Net outflows were concentrated in our equity and mutual fund business, with $75 billion of net outflows from equity and on a vehicle basis, almost $64 billion from mutual funds in 2025. Importantly, we saw an increase in gross sales, which were higher than 2024 and up over 40% from 2023. Offsetting these higher gross sales were redemptions that were greater than anticipated and were driven by performance shortfalls in certain strategies and from portfolio rebalancing due to elevated equity markets.

We generated over $2 billion of free flow in 2025 and returned nearly $1.8 billion of cash to our stockholders. We also extended our long history of increasing our regular dividend, marking our thirty-ninth consecutive year of increases since our IPO in 1986. We are building momentum across our strategic initiatives. I remain confident in our plan, and our people, and I look forward to what's ahead. With that, I'll turn to investment performance. We are seeing improvement in the performance of several key and continue to have strong long-term performance across a range of strategies and asset classes. While we're headed in the right direction, there remains room for further improvement.

About half of our funds beat their peer group, across the time periods, with 49%, 56%, 46%, and 61% outperforming on the one, three, five, and ten-year time periods respectively. For the three, five, and ten-year time periods, asset-weighted performance is stronger, with 72%, 54%, and 79% of fund assets beating their peer groups for the respective periods. For the one-year time period, 42% of fund assets beat their peer groups. On an asset-weighted basis, over half of our equity funds beat their peer groups on a three and five-year basis, and over 70% beat their peers for the ten-year time period.

Fixed income continued to deliver strong performance with over 75% of fund assets beating their peer groups across the one, three, five, and ten-year time periods. Long-term performance in our target date franchise remains strong, with 81%, 55%, and 98% of fund assets outperforming the three, five, and ten-year time periods respectively. Several very strong quarters in 2020 that have been rolling off have been a recent drag on the five-year performance numbers. Returns for the one-year time period were weaker, with 29% of fund assets outperforming peers. This was driven by a slightly lower weight to international equities than some peers and by security selection in some of the underlying portfolios, primarily in 2025.

Across alternatives, performance for the quarter was generally strong, amid a more discerning credit backdrop. Credit selection continued to be highly effective as it successfully avoided any exposure to widely publicized frauds or failures. Beyond investment performance, in 2025, we continue to make progress on our strategic initiatives. We established a strategic collaboration with Goldman Sachs, to pursue opportunities in wealth and retirement through co-developed public-private offerings and advice solutions. And in the fourth quarter, we launched the first co-branded model portfolios, including four portfolios that are now live on the GOL platform, and a fifth expected in 2026. In January, we launched one of the model series, the Goldman Sachs T.

Rowe Price Group, Inc. dynamic ETF portfolio, on the Morgan Stanley platform. We extended our retirement leadership globally with a sub-advised retirement date fund series in partnership with a Japanese asset manager and two new retirement allocation funds with a strategic partner in Asia, marking the first time a US asset manager offered retirement-focused products to retail investors in Hong Kong and Singapore. Additionally, we saw growth in the Canadian target date series we launched in 2024. We maintained our position as an industry leader in active target date solutions. Building on over twenty years of product innovation and surpassing $500 billion in assets under management across a diverse suite of solutions.

We also help clients navigate change and achieve better outcomes with the breadth of retirement solutions, including the launch of our innovative Social Security Analyzer tool. We grew our active ETF business with the recent launch of two new active core ETFs. One focused on the US and one on international. These active core strategies combine quantitative and fundamental research for alpha generation and we believe this approach will compete effectively with passive. We also expanded our fixed income ETF range with three new muni strategies, and one multi-sector ETF. All told, we launched 13 ETFs in 2025, bringing our total to 30, and we grew assets under management to over $21 billion at year-end.

We continue to expand our alternatives business. At the start of January 2026, we had the first close for a T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. managed private equity fund. This strategy is a closed-end drawdown fund and seeks to create a portfolio of approximately 25 category-leading private companies. T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. has exceptional access to late-stage private given our successful eighteen-year track record of investing over $24 billion across approximately 300 private companies. And our reputation for being thoughtful, long-term, and value-added shareholders well beyond the IPO. OHA enjoyed a second consecutive record fundraising year, with over $16 billion of capital raising across the platform, led by private lending strategies.

Private credit deployment experienced a strong finish to the year, reflecting increased sponsor activity and looking ahead there continues to be an expectation of an acceleration in deal volume. As the pipeline of pending private credit transactions remains robust. We made key organizational changes including the creation of the technology data and operations function to focus on integrating digital capabilities, data strategy, and enterprise operations to accelerate execution. And the global strategy function to sharpen our strategic vision integrate corporate development and product strategy, and support our growth agenda. We advanced our use of artificial intelligence across the firm, amplifying our investment professionals' capabilities without replacing their judgment.

Improving the speed and personalization of client service, and adopting new technologies with disciplined governance and thoughtful onboarding. The momentum we built in 2025 carried into 2026 with our announcement in January of a new strategic partnership with First Abu Dhabi Bank. Leveraging our collective strengths and capabilities, our partnership with FAB aims to deliver world-class investment solutions across public and private markets, tailored to meet the needs of investors throughout the Middle East. While we have had an institutional business in the Middle East for some time, this is our first strategic partnership in the region. And it reflects our commitment to growing and diversifying our business through innovative global partnerships.

This partnership and all the progress we made in 2025 are a reflection of our associates' steadfast commitment to our clients, and I want to thank each of them for their dedication. And now, Jen will share an update on our financial results.

Jennifer Benson Dardis: Thank you, Rob, and hello, everyone. I'll review our financial results before opening the line for Q&A. Our adjusted diluted earnings per share for Q4 2025 was $2.44 bringing full-year adjusted diluted EPS to $9.72, up 4.2% from 2024 on higher average AUM investment advisory revenue, and lower average share count. As previously reported, we had $25.5 billion in net outflows in Q4, bringing the full year to $56.9 billion. As Rob noted, in 2025, we experienced elevated redemptions from our legacy equity and mutual fund business. Despite these redemptions, strong equity market returns more than offset the net outflows. And we ended the year with nearly $50 billion in additional equity assets under management.

This trend, where equity market appreciation has exceeded equity net outflows, has been consistent over the past three years. We saw encouraging momentum and signs of strength quarter and in a few areas of our business we ended the year with positive net flows. Fixed income and alternatives had positive net flows for the quarter and along with multi-asset had positive net flows for the full year. Fixed Income has now delivered eight consecutive quarters of positive net flows. And our target date franchise ended the year with net inflows of $5.2 billion. Our ETF business remains strong with $1.8 billion in net inflows during the quarter, bringing 2025 net inflows to nearly $10.5 billion.

Within other investment vehicles, for the full year, trust continued to see strong net inflows in the DC channel and we saw positive net flows to SMAs. In 2025, strong equity markets lifted the growth of our average AUM, increasing our investment advisory fees, net revenues, and diluted EPS over the prior year. Our Q4 adjusted net revenue of $1.9 billion raised our full-year adjusted net revenue to nearly $7.4 billion, an increase of 2.8% from 2024. Our Q4 Investment Advisory revenue of $1.7 billion increased 2.3% from the prior quarter and 4.2% from Q4 2024, driven by higher average AUM partially offset by a lower effective fee rate.

Full-year investment advisory revenues of $6.6 billion were up 3.1% from the prior year. Our Q4 annualized effective fee rate excluding performance-based fees was 38.8 basis points, which is down from 39.1 basis points in Q3 2025. The decline in average effective fee rate continues to be driven by changes in our asset and vehicle mix. As client demand increasingly shifts toward lower-priced vehicles and strategies, we remain focused on delivering our investment strategies in our clients' vehicles of choice while maintaining competitive fee rates. Slide 19 in the supplement illustrates the changes in our vehicle mix over the past five years.

Over time, we've seen a growing proportion of our gross sales going to fixed income and multi-asset, and to lower-priced vehicles like ETFs, trusts, and SMAs, while redemptions remain primarily concentrated in higher-priced equity strategies and mutual funds. These sales and redemption patterns drive the change in our asset and vehicle mix. Performance-based fees in Q4 of $14.2 million were predominantly from alternative strategies and were up from the prior quarter, but down from Q4 2024. Full-year performance-based fees of $37.4 million were down from 2024's $59.3 million.

Turning to expenses, Q4 adjusted operating expenses were $1.2 billion bringing 2025 adjusted operating expenses, excluding carried interest expense, to $4.6 billion, which is up 3.4% from 2024's $4.46 billion and within the previously provided guidance of 2% to 4%. Based on normal market conditions, and assets at the end of 2025, we anticipate 2026 adjusted operating expenses excluding carried interest expense will be up 3% to 6% over 2025's $4.6 billion. This range includes our ongoing expense management program that allows us to invest in growth areas of the market. We remain committed to maintaining a strong cash position and returning capital to stockholders.

During Q4, we bought back $141 million worth of shares, bringing buybacks for 2025 to $624.6 million or 2.8% of our shares outstanding. We closed the year with a strong balance sheet, holding $3.8 billion of cash discretionary investments, up $735 million from the start of the year. This allows us to support our recurring dividend while preserving the ability to pursue opportunistic acquisitions or partnerships and execute share buybacks. Our long-term approach to managing our business enables us to invest strategically in areas that strengthen our capabilities and drive meaningful results for our clients. Combined with our continued focus on prudent expense oversight, we remain well-positioned to navigate changing market cycles and evolving trends.

And now we will open the line for Q&A.

Daniel Fannon: Please press 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. In the interest of time, ask that you please limit yourself to one question. If you have any additional questions, you may rejoin the queue. Please standby while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Alexander Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Alexander Blostein: Good morning. Thank you for the question. So maybe starting with just a question around how you guys are planning from an operating perspective for 2026. Heard this expense guide, so maybe just remind us of the ability to flex up or down, and then the bend the environment, for is maybe flattish for the year? Just want to understand that.

Robert W. Sharps: Yeah. Alex, thank you for the question. The biggest factor in any single year on our operating margin is equity market return. As we've discussed in the past, there's a portion of our expense base, about a third of it, that's variable. But the biggest driver of our revenue is equity market returns. That said, we understand the dynamic of the revenue outlook with regard to flow and fee pressure. And we're going to need to balance going forward in investing to position ourselves for success long term and ensuring that we have world-class talent with a commitment to being a highly efficient organization with an ongoing focus on productivity.

So we have a number of initiatives to drive cost savings to fund those investments. But, you know, I'm really not going to comment on what I think the margin profile will look like over time because as I said, the market return has such a significant influence on that.

Jennifer Benson Dardis: And maybe if I can talk specifically about expenses and the guide for 2026. We had talked last time about the two-thirds of our controllable expenses that we were managing toward low single-digit growth. That's included in this plan. And as Rob mentioned, that's a balance of cost savings efforts and also earmarking funds to be able to invest in some of our growth areas. New vehicles such as ETFs, SMAs, models, and alternatives and in our partnerships where we're introducing new products. And also in things like advice. And then if you look at our market-driven expenses, that's what's driving it slightly higher into the range, and it's really two big drivers there.

One is on what we call distribution expenses. That's things like 12b-1, trailer fees, or revenue share. Those increase with assets under management as opposed to revenue, and we saw tailwinds in growth in AUM at the end of the year and we have our normal market growth assumptions kind of moderate equity market growth in 2026 as well as modest fixed income growth. The second thing that's within there is our year-end compensation. And, again, that generally runs with revenue, but there are some accounting implications from our LTI program that are driving that a little higher this year.

Daniel Fannon: Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael J. Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Michael J. Cyprys: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. More of a longer-term view just on tokenization. Just curious, you could just talk a little bit about how you're experimenting with tokenization and blockchain. Where do you see some of the most compelling use cases and value to be unlocked? And curious how you see this all playing out over the next twelve, twenty-four months versus longer term and where might there be scope for differentiation?

Eric Lanoue Veiel: Yeah. Hi, Michael. It's Eric. I'll take that one. First of all, we've been investing in our digitization capabilities going back to '22 when we first, you know, brought on a team and have built it out internally to develop expertise in this area. We think about it along three different vectors. First, there's an efficiency opportunity within tokenization for middle and back office savings that I think could be consequential in time. There's a product opportunity as you move more traditional finance assets on-chain. You open up opportunities to accelerate some of the trends that we're seeing, whether that's the convergence of public and privates, whether it's fractionalization or mass customization. There's a distribution opportunity.

It opens up a new generation of investors who are native to mobile and crypto. We're working on all three of those. I would say on the efficiency front, within investments, we're doing a lot of work on end-to-end processes. That we think will really impact over time from a cost savings perspective, our middle and back office and potentially even some front office opportunity. On the product side, we've already talked about how we've registered with the SEC, our active crypto ETF that we hope to have in market. In '26 that will use a blend of fundamental and quantitative analysis to bring a multi-token ETF to the market.

And then on the distribution side, I think that's a more open opportunity for us, and we'll explore everything from partnerships to de novo builds.

Daniel Fannon: Thank you. Our next question comes from Craig Siegenthaler with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Craig Siegenthaler: Good morning, everyone. My question is on the update on the potential migration of private into the 401(k) channel. So, we should be getting the DOL update shortly, maybe not this month as planned due to the government shutdown, but how do you think this plays out across the industry with single partnerships or multi-partner models? And, also, where is T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. now on the product launch front? With your new Goldman Sachs partnership, which will also include some OHA and credit?

Robert W. Sharps: Yeah, Craig. Thank you for the question. So not a lot new since we've commented on this in the last few calls. Our multi-asset team has really researched the investment case for including private alternatives in defined contribution solutions, including target date funds. And they believe that the investment case is strong. That said, there is a mixed view among plan sponsors based on lack of clarity with regard to fiduciary risk. And change just, you know, kind of not only around fee, but also around liquidity. And it's a dynamic ultimately that we're going to need to navigate. As you said, the DOL comments are due to come back from the OMB. There'll be a public comment period.

We may not get real clarity on what the ultimate guidance looks like for several months. You know, what we want to do is have a flexible approach that's responsive to our clients' interests. So with regard to the specific question about the Goldman Sachs T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. retirement date offering, we continue to work on product design and plan to have the offering in market in around midyear this year. We think there's a segment of the market that will be early adopters. And, you know, kind of ultimately, you know, kind of feel that interest could grow.

But, you know, my sense is that penetration of the overall set will evolve relatively slowly and won't be for some period of time.

Daniel Fannon: Thank you. Our next question comes from Dan Fannon with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Dan Fannon: Thanks. Good morning. So wanted to talk about the target date business. You showed some outflows in the fourth quarter, something we haven't seen in a few years. Wanted to get a little bit more context around the momentum and or outlook for that business. As we think about 2026, whether that's kind of backlog, you know, kind of new win opportunities and or losses that might be, you know, within the periphery as of now.

Robert W. Sharps: Yeah. Dan, thanks for the question. And if I may, maybe I'll take the opportunity to zoom out and talk about flows more broadly and then drill down on the target date business. Flows in the fourth quarter were meaningfully softer than we anticipated, especially in the month of December. The weakness was largely driven by equities. With particular pressure in growth equity portfolios driven by a handful of institutional losses and some rebalancing given the robust equity market returns in 2025. But as you cite, outflows in the retirement date funds which are not necessarily unusual for the month of December, but are unusual for the full fourth quarter were also a factor.

About a third of the Q4 retirement date outflows were driven by M&A activity where our client was acquired and the plans were consolidated, we ended up losing the mandate. We also lost a handful of lumpy or larger mandates that weren't M&A related. But if you look at the broader trend, I think what you see is that fully active target date funds are losing share to passive and blend. Given our position as the largest fully active target date fund manager, that's going to be a headwind for us.

On the positive side, I think we're really well positioned to mitigate or offset that headwind with our very strong blend and hybrid offerings, which incorporate a component of passive. The blend area is the fastest growing category within target date. It's actually growing faster than passive. And T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. is gaining market share in the blend category. So we believe that we'll continue to grow our retirement date franchise going forward.

Whether or not that growth is consistent with the levels that have been in the past, I think to some extent, will depend on the intensity of the shift away from active and our ability to capture a portion of that with our blend and hybrid offering, but also to grow and gain market share, you know, from a new dollar perspective. Within that category. Just as a more current data point, we did have a billion seven of target date inflows in the month of January. I also got to take the opportunity to share some perspective on the 2026 flow outlook. You know, flows have been volatile and difficult for us to predict.

But our base pace reflects continued pressure in equities. Partially offset by inflows in retirement date fund, and consistent with the previous comment with a continued shift towards blend. Steady growth in fixed income and accelerating growth in alternative. The intensity of equity outflows is the biggest factor for our overall flows. To get back to positive flows, we need equity outflows to moderate. We're confident that will happen over time with strong performance. In January, we did have just under $6 billion of outflows, but the pipeline suggests that the rest of the quarter, being February and March, has the potential to improve from those levels.

Daniel Fannon: Thank you. Our next question comes from Benjamin Elliot Budish with Barclays. Your line is open.

Benjamin Elliot Budish: Hi, good morning and thank you for taking the question. Maybe, Rob, just following up on that last point. I know the market had a bit of a shock just yesterday, and I would expect your comments are sort of higher level taking over the course of the year. But just curious, how would you expect that sort of impact to translate to near-term equity flows? How do advisors and retail customers tend to respond to that sort of disruption?

Could you maybe talk about the sort of mix across the equity franchise, how exposed is the business to, you know, software and services and, you know, the areas which, you know, at least the market is sort of worrying maybe under some kind of, you know, near-term threat from AI development. Thank you.

Robert W. Sharps: Yeah. I'll start and welcome input from Eric and Jen who I'm sure have a perspective on the topic. With regard to how equity market returns impact flows, it depends by client type. I think there are certain client types that tend to react more quickly and other client types that, you know, have a commitment to the asset class. And allocation framework that kind of in some instance with the drawdown in the market may actually be inclined to rebalance and add to equities. I would say the net effect to us over a period longer than days or weeks really isn't that substantial.

I think in the very short term, you may see a knee-jerk reaction to a sharp drawdown in the market in certain segments. But ultimately, there are a number of puts and takes. And as I've said in my earlier comment, despite robust market returns last year, that actually caused a bit of a drag as some of our clients rebalanced away from strategies had significant absolute returns. So that's, again, I'd say not something that is a meaningful factor in our outlook from a flow perspective. In terms of our exposure to software and services, I'll ask Eric to offer his perspective.

I think a lot of the consternation in the market is over some of the private equity sponsors having significant deals and exposure to PE firms. As a largely liquid public manager, we have the ability to adapt and adjust to changing market environments. So our positioning can obviously be very fluid. You know, I would say that our overall mix is no more exposed than the market as a whole. But I'll ask for Eric to give a little bit more specific commentary in terms of software exposure.

Eric Lanoue Veiel: Sure. So, you know, with almost roughly a trillion dollars in equity assets across a wide variety of different types of portfolios. We're obviously going to have a lot of different types of mandates with different types of exposure to software. As you think about what happened yesterday and the disruption risk of AI, specifically some very unique opportunities that were brought forward by Anthropic. We have been studying these opportunities and risks for a long time and have very deep research on them and have been positioned for events like this in many of our portfolios. That doesn't mean that in every portfolio, we're perfectly positioned for what happened in a single day of market action.

But what happened yesterday in terms of the potential disruption of AI across different parts of the software industry is not a surprise to us.

Daniel Fannon: Thank you. Our next question comes from Kenneth Brooks Worthington with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Kenneth Brooks Worthington: Hi, good morning. Along those same lines, on the AI disruption, what is Oak Hill's exposure to investments potentially disrupted by AI? Ultimately, you think the problems could be big enough in private credit to drive market share shifts and where might T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. fit into those share shifts if they're big enough to, you know, discuss here today?

Robert W. Sharps: Yeah. Look. I'm not going to comment on OHA's underlying exposures. What I will say is that they have an extraordinarily rigorous credit process. And to the extent that we go into a credit environment where defaults are more prevalent, we think that OHA's process and performance will be a differentiating factor relative to the rest of the industry. And I might just take the opportunity to comment on OHA more broadly. OHA is doing well. They had a second consecutive year of record capital raise with particular strength in private lending. The T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. and OHA teams are working very well together on opportunities across wealth, insurance, and the broader institutional market.

As a matter of fact, the T. Rowe Price Group, Inc. client-facing teams helped OHA bring in over $3 billion in new institutional commitments, with much of that in 2025. As we'd referenced earlier, OHA is deeply involved in our collaboration with Goldman Sachs. Their private credit capabilities are designed into several of the investment strategies, including the co-branded retirement date fund and multi-alts offering for wealth. We do plan to do a spotlight on OHA and our alternatives on one of the earnings calls later this year. And anticipate having Glenn Paul Schorr join us for that call.

Daniel Fannon: Thank you. Our next question comes from Brennan Hawken with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Brennan Hawken: You were speaking earlier to M&A and the sort of noise created in the target date sort of DC plan sales process. Plus maybe a few misses on some plans. Couple questions on that, couple follow-ups. Were there any particular factors that caused the misses, and how are you adjusting your offering in order to enhance your competitive positioning? And can you speak to the pipeline I know those sales cycles are likely pretty long. So how are we looking as we move forward, on that front? Thanks.

Robert W. Sharps: Yeah. In terms of the Q4 activity, I think it's relatively straightforward. When one of our plan sponsors gets acquired, eventually the acquirer consolidates the plans. In certain instances, we're given the opportunity to compete for the combined plan. And in certain instances, the acquirer makes the decision that they automatically want to consolidate with their incumbent target date fund provider. So, you know, I mean, at the end of the day, that's really all the color on that I have.

I also don't really have any more color on the dynamic in the marketplace outside of saying that we're seeing less interest in new opportunities for fully active target date funds and a significant increase in opportunities in blend and hybrid. Yeah. I think to some extent, that's a reflection of where the market's been. Where the power of the returns in the market cap-weighted benchmarks, particularly in US large-cap equity. Ultimately, if that market dynamic changes and you have a backdrop that is more conducive to alpha generation from active management, then, you know, I think the fully active proposition will have more of an opportunity to stand out and be differentiated.

In terms of the pipeline for target date funds, it would again be consistent with the comment. The overall activity is robust. But there we have more interest and more opportunity in blended hybrid than we do in fully active.

Daniel Fannon: Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Patrick Davitt with Autonomous Research. Your line is open.

Michael Patrick Davitt: Good morning. Thank you. Just most of mine have been asked just a quick follow-up on that again. Can you remind on the targets, can you remind on the cadence each year on when those lumpier plan losses can occur? I know mostly December. I seem to remember there are a couple of other months where they can come through in the past as well. Thank you.

Robert W. Sharps: Yeah. Outside of elevated activity around year-end, I would say that, you know, there really is no specific seasonality to plan activity. And, you know, it really can happen throughout the course of the year.

Daniel Fannon: Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

This article is a transcript of this conference call produced for The Motley Fool. While we strive for our Foolish Best, there may be errors, omissions, or inaccuracies in this transcript. Parts of this article were created using Large Language Models (LLMs) based on The Motley Fool's insights and investing approach. It has been reviewed by our AI quality control systems. Since LLMs cannot (currently) own stocks, it has no positions in any of the stocks mentioned. As with all our articles, The Motley Fool does not assume any responsibility for your use of this content, and we strongly encourage you to do your own research, including listening to the call yourself and reading the company's SEC filings. Please see our Terms and Conditions for additional details, including our Obligatory Capitalized Disclaimers of Liability.

The Motley Fool has positions in and recommends T. Rowe Price Group. The Motley Fool has a disclosure policy.