Trane (TT) Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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DATE

Thursday, January 29, 2026 at 10 a.m. ET

CALL PARTICIPANTS

• Chair and Chief Executive Officer — David Regnery
• Chief Financial Officer — Christopher Kuehn
• Vice President, Investor Relations — Zac Nagle

TAKEAWAYS

• Enterprise Organic Bookings -- Up 22%, reaching a record $7.8 billion backlog, led by Americas and EMEA commercial HVAC segments.
• Commercial HVAC Backlog Growth -- Backlog increased approximately 25% in the Americas and nearly 40% in EMEA compared to year-end 2024; most is in higher-margin applied solutions.
• Americas Commercial HVAC Bookings -- Rose more than 35% with applied solutions up more than 120% and a book-to-bill of 200% for the second consecutive quarter.
• Organic Revenue -- Total organic revenue grew 4% (7% excluding residential), driven by commercial HVAC and global services performance.
• Adjusted EPS Growth -- Increased 10% year over year in the quarter, supported by commercial execution and cost management.
• Free Cash Flow -- Remained robust, with free cash flow conversion historically at 106% and continued deployment to M&A, dividends, and share repurchases.
• Americas Residential Segment -- Bookings up mid-single digits; revenues declined mid-teens due to channel inventory normalization and intentional reduction of factory production days by one third.
• Americas Transport Refrigeration -- Bookings and revenues declined mid-single digits and low single digits, respectively, outperforming markets down more than 20%.
• EMEA Commercial HVAC -- Bookings up mid-teens; revenues up mid-single digits, reflecting sustained demand after significant 2025 investment.
• Asia Pacific Segment -- Bookings in China declined double digits; rest of Asia bookings grew low double digits with regional revenues down low single digits.
• Full-Year Guidance 2026 -- 6%-7% organic revenue growth and adjusted EPS of $14.65–$14.85 (up 12%-14%); total reported revenue growth expected at 8.5%-9.5% including FX and M&A.
• Q1 2026 Guidance -- Q1 adjusted EPS targeted at approximately $2.50, with flattish organic revenue growth owing to tough year-earlier residential comps and transport market decline.
• Applied Systems Backlog for Future Years -- Over $1 billion of backlog scheduled to deliver in 2027 and beyond, up more than 30% from previous year, across multiple verticals.
• Stellar Energy Acquisition -- Announced as largest 2025 acquisition in modular data center cooling; expected to close in Q1 2026 and bring modest EPS accretion including first-year costs.
• Capital Allocation in 2025 -- $3.2 billion deployed or committed: $840 million to dividends, $720 million to M&A, around $1.5 billion to share repurchases, with $4.7 billion share repurchase authorization remaining.

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RISKS

• Residential revenue decreased mid-teens, with intentional production cuts causing approximately 60% deleverage in that business and anticipated Q1 declines of about 20% due to challenging comparables.
• EMEA adjusted EBITDA margin declined 160 basis points year over year, driven by acquisition and integration costs following increased channel investments and M&A activity in 2025.
• Asia Pacific region experienced double-digit booking and revenue declines in China, contributing to an overall 6% segment revenue decrease and a 20 basis point EBITDA margin contraction.

SUMMARY

Trane Technologies (NYSE:TT) reported record backlog and sharply increased bookings, with particularly strong momentum in Americas and EMEA commercial HVAC businesses as applied solutions orders and pipelines reached historic highs. Management cited broad-based vertical strength and outlined 2026 guidance with 6%-7% organic revenue growth, positioning the company for continued margin expansion and substantial future revenue conversion from its applied-dominated backlog. The largest acquisition, Stellar Energy, is set to enhance data center cooling capabilities through modular solutions, anticipated to drive incremental EPS growth even after integration costs. Segment-level guidance indicated continued commercial outperformance, early year residential troughs, and improved prospects for both transport and services in the latter half, underpinned by robust free cash flow supporting sustained capital deployment.

• David Regnery said, "our exceptional bookings, record backlog, and rapidly expanding pipeline give us a high level of confidence that 2026 will be another strong year."
• Christopher Kuehn noted 2026 Q1 adjusted EPS is expected to be ~17% of full-year guidance, consistent with recent historical seasonality.
• Commercial HVAC project pipelines in both Americas and EMEA were described as remaining "very, very robust" entering the new year, with backlog built for 2027 and beyond.
• On inflation and input costs, management stated tariff headwinds would increase by roughly $50 million in 2026 after mitigation, with commodity procurement half-hedged and price discipline central to margin management.

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

• Applied Solutions: Customized HVAC systems designed for specific building requirements, typically more complex and carrying higher margin and longer project cycles than standardized unitary systems.
• Book-to-Bill: The ratio of bookings (orders received) to revenue billed in a given period, used to assess business momentum and backlog trends.
• Free Cash Flow Conversion: The percentage of net income converted into free cash flow, indicating efficiency of cash generation relative to earnings.
• Deleverage: Margin compression or profitability deterioration resulting from fixed cost absorption on lower sales volumes, often referenced during production reduction.
• Quick Ship: Expedited manufacturing and delivery programs enabling rapid shipment for urgent customer needs, cited in HVAC for competitive lead times.

Full Conference Call Transcript

David Regnery: Thanks, Zach, and everyone for joining today's call. Please turn to slide number three. I'd like to begin with a few thoughts on our purpose-driven strategy, which continues to drive consistent outperformance over time. Demand for energy has never been greater. Digitalization, industrial growth, and new technologies are putting pressure on energy systems. Customers are looking for smarter, more efficient ways to run their operations. That's where Trane Technologies is uniquely positioned to win. Our solutions help customers save energy, lower operating costs, and create more balance and flexibility in how they use energy. It's proof that sustainability and performance go hand in hand. As we look ahead, our innovation and expertise continue to set us apart.

With our exceptional backlog, robust demand, proven business operating system, and leading innovation, we're well-positioned to continue delivering differentiated value well into the future. Please turn to slide number four. 2025 was a strong year for the company. Our global teams executed at a high level, enabling us to exceed adjusted EPS guidance despite softness in residential and transport refrigeration markets. Free cash flow remained robust, funding strategic M&A, a growing dividend, and significant share repurchases. Bookings were also exceptional. Our commercial HVAC businesses in Americas and EMEA added $1.3 billion in backlog versus year-end 2024, strengthening our visibility into strong growth in 2026 and beyond. Please turn to Slide number five.

Relentless investment in innovation, growth, people, culture, and our business operating system has delivered clear sustained benefits, reflected in our strong and consistent track record. Since 2020, we've achieved 11% revenue compound annual growth rate, a 24% adjusted EPS compound annual growth rate, expanded adjusted EBITDA margins by 470 basis points, and delivered free cash flow conversion of 106%, while deploying over $15 billion through our balanced capital allocation strategy. Consistent reinvestment has been central to our long-term success. For more than a decade, we've steadily invested in high ROI initiatives, built a world-class direct sales and service organization, and developed cutting-edge solutions for our customers' most pressing challenges, driving sustained demand.

We have a proven track record and all the essential ingredients to execute our strategy and continue delivering differentiated returns over the long term. Please turn to slide number six. We delivered strong fourth-quarter performance, highlighted by exceptional enterprise organic bookings up 22%, driving a record backlog of $7.8 billion. Organic revenue grew 4%, led by continued strength in our Americas commercial HVAC businesses and our global services business. We also delivered 10% adjusted EPS growth and robust free cash flow. Exceptional bookings were led by our commercial HVAC businesses. America's commercial HVAC was again a standout, delivering record Q4 organic bookings, up more than 35% year over year.

Applied solutions bookings were up more than 120% with a record book-to-bill of 200%, marking the second consecutive quarter with applied bookings growth exceeding 100%. EMEA HVAC also delivered strong results, with its second straight quarter of mid to high teens organic bookings growth. Commercial HVAC backlog is substantially higher versus year-end 2024, with backlog up approximately 25% in The Americas and nearly 40% in EMEA. And importantly, the backlog is predominantly applied, which carries a long higher margin services tail. As we enter 2026, we are well-positioned for growth, especially in areas where disciplined execution to our business operating system is a key driver of success.

In commercial HVAC, exceptional bookings growth and record backlog give us strong visibility to future revenues and market outgrowth. Projected pipelines remain robust and continue to build. Even after two consecutive quarters of more than 100% applied growth, America's commercial HVAC, we continue to see substantial opportunities ahead. Our services business, about one-third of enterprise revenue, remains a durable and consistent growth engine, with a low teens compound annual growth rate since becoming Trane Technologies in 2020. We continue to invest heavily in services and expand our digital capabilities to deliver advanced solutions with compelling value and attractive paybacks. We are confident services will remain a strong growth driver in 2026 and beyond.

Two additional factors have the potential to accelerate growth in the back half of the year. Residential markets were a tale of two halves in 2025, with a significantly weaker second half. We expect 2026 to get progressively better, with tailwinds building later in the year as comps ease. Similarly, industrial forecasts, including from ACT, point to a transport market recovery beginning late in 2026 and extending into 2027 and beyond, a view we largely share. This should support growth in the fourth quarter and beyond. Our guidance reflects this backdrop, and Chris will elaborate shortly. Please turn to Slide number seven.

America's commercial HVAC continued its standout performance, with bookings up more than 35% and revenue up low double digits. Growth was broad-based across nearly all verticals and in both equipment and services. In residential, bookings were up mid-single digits while revenues declined mid-teens, reflecting the normalization of channel inventory in the quarter. In Americas transport refrigeration, bookings were down mid-single digits and revenues were down low single digits, outperforming transport markets that declined more than 20%. In EMEA, commercial HVAC bookings were again robust, up mid-teens, and revenues were up mid-single digits. EMEA transport bookings were down low single digits, and revenues declined at a similar rate, outperforming end markets that were down mid-single digits.

In Asia Pacific, China remained challenging, with double-digit declines in bookings and revenue. The rest of Asia performed as expected, with bookings up low double digits and revenues down low single digits.

Chris Kuehn: Now I'd like to turn the call over to Chris. Chris?

Christopher Kuehn: Thanks, Dave. Please turn to slide number eight. Dave covered many of the key points from this slide earlier, so I'll keep my comments brief. Q4 organic revenue grew 4%, and 7% excluding residential, consistent with the dynamics we've already discussed. Margins were impacted by proactive measures taken to normalize residential inventory, which reduced factory production days by one-third and resulted in roughly 60% deleverage in that business. Please turn to Slide number nine. In The Americas, we delivered 5% organic revenue growth, driven by strong commercial HVAC volume and positive price, partially offset by residential declines. Margins were lower mainly due to residential deleverage. We also stepped up innovation and growth investments.

In EMEA, organic revenue grew 2% led by commercial HVAC. Adjusted EBITDA margin declined 160 basis points reflecting year one acquisition and integration costs. As noted throughout the year, channel investments and M&A in 2025 weighed on near-term margins but position us for stronger long-term growth. In Asia Pacific, organic revenue declined 6%, adjusted EBITDA margin declined 20 basis points. The team managed costs to limit deleverage, continuing to invest in the business. Now I'd like to turn the call back over to Dave.

David Regnery: Dave?

Christopher Kuehn: Thanks, Chris. Please turn to slide number 10.

Operator: Overall, Q4 played out largely as expected.

David Regnery: With residential revenues a bit better than anticipated and commercial HVAC bookings even stronger. Our Americas commercial HVAC business continues to execute at a very high level, significantly outperforming end markets. Bookings and revenues are compounding at strong rates, especially in applied solutions. As noted earlier, our exceptional bookings, record backlog, and rapidly expanding pipeline give us a high level of confidence that 2026 will be another strong year. Based on customer delivery timing and year-over-year comparisons, we expect solid growth in the first half and even stronger growth in the back half. In residential, we believe channel inventory is largely normalized as we enter Q1.

Our outlook for the market for 2026 is prudent, flat to modestly lower, with Q1 expected to be the trough, down about 20% given the high teens growth we saw Q1 2025. We expect the market to return to growth in the second half. In The Americas transport markets, ACT forecasts trailers down about 7% in 2026, and our view is generally aligned. Market indicators are improving, and we expect the sector to turn positive late in 2026 and into 2027. We expect to again outperform the market. In EMEA, commercial HVAC enters 2026 following a significant investment year and strong 2025 bookings that lifted backlog nearly 40% year over year.

We expect a softer start with mid-single-digit growth improving to high single-digit growth in the second half as backlog converts. EMEA transport markets are expected to be flat to modestly lower. The team grew low single digits in a down market in 2025, and we expect them to outperform again in 2026. In Asia Pacific, we expect mixed performance with the rest of Asia outperforming China. For the region as a whole, we expect relatively flat performance in 2026. Now I'd like to turn the call back over to Chris. Chris?

Christopher Kuehn: Thanks, Dave. Turn to slide number 11. Our 2026 guidance reflects the market dynamics we've discussed and operational excellence driven by our business operating system. It also incorporates our value creation flywheel, continued investment in innovation, market outgrowth, healthy leverage, and strong free cash flow. We are initiating 2026 guidance with 6% to 7% organic revenue growth, and adjusted EPS of $14.65 to $14.85, up 12% to 14%. We expect about 50 basis points of growth from FX and roughly 200 basis points from M&A, either closed or committed for early 2026. All in, reported revenue growth is expected to be 8.5% to 9.5%.

We are targeting organic leverage of 25% or higher, consistent with our long-term framework, and free cash flow conversion of 100% or greater. For the first quarter, we expect flattish organic revenue growth, reflecting continued strength in commercial HVAC, offset by tough comps in residential, given the high teens growth we saw in Q1 2025 and market-driven declines in transport. We expect Q1 adjusted EPS of approximately $2.50. Importantly, over the past four years, Q1 has averaged slightly below 17% of full-year EPS, which aligns with our 2026 guidance. Given the dynamics we've outlined, we believe this is a strong and achievable start to the year. For additional details, please refer to slide 18. Please turn to slide number 12.

We remain committed to our balanced capital allocation strategy focused on deploying excess cash to maximize shareholder returns. First, we strengthen our core business through relentless reinvestment. Second, we maintain a strong balance sheet to ensure optionality as markets evolve. Third, we expect to deploy 100% of excess cash over time. Our approach includes strategic M&A to enhance long-term returns and share repurchases when the stock trades below our calculated intrinsic value. Please turn to slide 13. In 2025, we deployed or committed approximately $3.2 billion through our balanced capital allocation strategy, including about $840 million to dividends, $720 million to M&A, and roughly $1.5 billion to share repurchases.

We advanced several strategic acquisitions during the year, and our pipeline remains active heading into 2026. The largest acquisition announced in December is Stellar Energy, a leading provider of turnkey data center cooling solutions. Stellar brings strong capability in modular design and build, positioning us to meet growing demand for prefabricated cooling systems that ease supply chain and labor constraints and enable rapid scalable deployment. Their expertise also enhances our ability to apply modular solutions across additional verticals. We expect the acquisition to close in the first quarter, and we look forward to welcoming the team to Trane Technologies. The deal economics are compelling, and we expect modest EPS accretion in 2026 even after year one acquisition and integration costs.

For 2026, we expect to deploy between $2.8 billion and $3.3 billion with strong free cash flow, ample liquidity, a healthy balance sheet, and $4.7 billion remaining under our share repurchase authorization, we have excellent capital allocation optionality moving forward. Now I'd like to turn the call back over to Dave. Dave?

David Regnery: Thanks, Chris. Please turn to slide number 15. The Americas transport refrigeration market remains dynamic, but the long-term outlook is strong. ACT forecasts the trailer market down about 7% in 2026, bottoming in the first half and improving in the back half. ACT also expects a sharp rebound beginning in 2027, including roughly 50% growth and continued expansion through the end of the decade. We expect growth as well but anticipate a more measured gradual slope to the recovery. We're managing the down cycle effectively, outperforming end markets, and continuing to invest in innovation, so we're well-positioned as the market strengthens. Please turn to slide number 16. In closing, I'm incredibly proud of our global team.

Their talent has powered our consistent outperformance and leading financial results over the past five years. And we see tremendous opportunities ahead. With our exceptional backlog, strong demand, proven business operating system, and leading innovation, we're confident in our ability to deliver differentiated long-term value and advance a more sustainable world. And now we'd be happy to take your questions. Operator?

Operator: At this time, if you would like to ask a question, press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. We ask that you please limit your questions to one and one follow-up. Our first question will come from the line of Julian Mitchell with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Julian Mitchell: Hi, good morning. Maybe just wanted to start with America's commercial HVAC just to understand the guidance on revenue for the year ahead. I guess if I look at the orders or bookings there last year, they were up maybe 10% in the first half, up in the 30s in the back half. So with lead times and so forth, should we expect a decent acceleration in Americas Commercial HVAC revenue growth in the back half of the year ahead?

Christopher Kuehn: Hey, Julian. It's Chris. I'll start, and then Dave will jump in. That's right. I mean, think about the very strong bookings growth in 2025 and commercial HVAC. And the first half was strong, up mid-teens. But we saw up about 30%, over 30% in 2025. And when you think about applied systems, it's not uncommon to think about a nine-month cycle from order date to ship date. So how we see 2026 playing out for commercial HVAC Americas is the first quarter strong growth, probably in that 7% to 8% range, second quarter grows to about 10% growth, and then it is up about low teens in the second half of the year.

And we've dialed that in with the backlog and the timing of which when customers want us to deliver the products.

David Regnery: Yeah. Hey, Julian. How are you doing? Dave here. I think as Chris described in the Americas, a very similar story that we see in Europe. Okay? So in Europe, think of the first half of the year, orders were up high single digits. The back half of the year, they were up high teens. So the same is exactly happening as to how our backlog, which is at record levels, is layered in. The good news also is that the pipelines in both businesses are extremely strong right now.

I said that at the end of the third quarter that I've never seen them this high before, and I would tell you they remain very, very robust as we enter Q1 in 2026.

Julian Mitchell: That's helpful. And then just my second question on U.S. Resi HVAC. Maybe help us understand the confidence in that leaning out of inventory having largely already happened? And any update you could give on pricing in that market? We keep being fed anecdotes from people every day about discounting. We didn't seem to hear that from your an OEM peer yesterday. Just wondered your perspectives on that, please.

David Regnery: Yeah. I'll let Chris talk to the pricing side of it, but on the inventory side, look. We were very, very intentional in the fourth quarter to get the inventory right. And you heard in our prepared remarks, we took a third of the production days out. So we knew that was gonna cost us on the bottom line as we deleverage over 60% in that particular business. We also believe that we have inventory size right as we enter '26. So 2025 is behind us. We're looking forward. And how the year plays out. And remember, for the full year, we believe that you know, resi will be, you know, flat to down up to 5%.

We'll see how the year plays out. But we believe that inventory is in the position we want it to be. And we were very, very intentional in getting there. Did you wanna talk about pricing?

Christopher Kuehn: Julian, we've not seen pricing fade in the business. I think about the fourth quarter and pricing, it really is more due to volume being lower than anything else. So certainly, great products, good industry, and wouldn't add anything more than that.

David Regnery: The only other thing I would add, Julian, is remember Q1's got some really tough comps. So even though inventory is in a right-sized position, we still are gonna have some very difficult comps with last year being up in the high teens. Thank you.

Julian Mitchell: Alright. Thanks, Julian. Talk to you soon.

Operator: Please go ahead. Our next question will come from the line of Scott Davis with Melius Research.

Scott Davis: Hey, good morning guys.

David Regnery: Hey, Scott. How are you?

Scott Davis: I'm great. It's been a good quarter so far for or today, I guess, I should say. It's been pretty good. And you guys put up these orders and applied are a nice surprise. And my question just is really about whether orders are broadening out amongst your end markets you know, like office education, etcetera, or are they narrowing and more of that incremental order strength is in fact data center.

David Regnery: Yeah. I mean, look, data centers are very strong. Okay? But I would also tell you that if you look across the 14 verticals that we track, at least in The Americas, we had broad-based growth. Which was very, very encouraging. I think we had 12 or 14 verticals up. So that's encouraging for us. And so yeah. But don't misinterpret my comments. Data centers were very strong, and they'll continue to be strong well into the future. But it is broad-based growth across the majority of our verticals that we track in commercial HVAC.

Scott Davis: And comparably, broad, you would say, Dave, versus maybe a year ago?

David Regnery: I have to go. I mean, I you know, it's hard to say. I think we saw growth in some verticals that maybe a year ago I was saying were weak like retail. We saw growth in retail. Office is coming back for us. So, look, I'm bullish, Sean. And for the order rate is one thing, but if I look at where the pipeline is, it's also very broad-based, which is very encouraging for the future.

Scott Davis: Makes sense. Okay. I'll keep it at that. Thank you, guys. Best of luck this year.

David Regnery: Scott, Talk to you soon. Appreciate it.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Chris Snyder with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Chris Snyder: Thank you. I also wanted to ask about the applied orders. Second straight quarter up over 100%. Know, as we've seen this ramp in orders into the back half of the year, has there been an impact at all from changes in customer lead times? Are we starting to see customers order maybe with longer lead times again? You know, there's some concerns out there in certain spots around supply chain pinch points. Just wondering if that's having any impact on these you know, just the massive orders we're seeing.

David Regnery: Yeah. Hey, Chris. How are you doing? This is Dave. But I would say we haven't seen that. I mean, you know, you have some verticals that will give you more of a longer view versus others. But for the most part, I haven't seen any change occurring there probably since, really, probably at least the last I'll say, at least twelve months. There hasn't been a dramatic change there in lead times. We're very competitive on our lead times. I told you that in the third quarter. We actually introduced a couple of quick ship programs so that sometimes you could have an emergency or you could have a contractor that forgot to order a piece of equipment.

We're able to provide that now with some of our quick ship programs.

Chris Snyder: Appreciate that color. Thank you. Maybe if I could follow-up on data center, but specifically on the service side. You know, as that the architecture there continues to change, you know, obviously very rapidly, you know, are the attachment rates in that business better than they were, say, five or seven years ago as there may be more so relying on you guys to do a lot of that service just given how fast things are changing relative to a decade ago? Thank you so much.

David Regnery: Yeah. I think for sure. Okay. Obviously, hyperscalers or colos, they want the OEM to be doing the service work. Okay? I think what's changing is the size of these data center fields or farms as they're referred to. Are quite large. So we're seeing more dedicated resources to a particular data center. But I would say for sure, if you go back up, like, say, a decade ago, I don't think our attachment rate was nearly what it is today. In fact, I'd be hard-pressed to think where we've done a major chiller farm where we haven't had the service agreements.

Chris Snyder: Thank you. Appreciate that.

David Regnery: Alright. Thanks, Chris.

Operator: Our next question will come from the line of Andy Kaplowitz with Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Andy Kaplowitz: Hey, Andy. How are you?

David Regnery: Good. How are you?

Andy Kaplowitz: Great. David, Chris, you had some margin pressure in Q4 in Americas and Europe. You explained it well. A lot of it was resi deleveraging in Americas. And European investment. But maybe you could talk about how to think about segment incrementals in the context of your normal expected 25% plus as European margins start to turn now more positive in 'twenty six, given its backlog and how should we think about your overall price cost dynamics? Dynamics given recently higher commodity costs?

Christopher Kuehn: Andy, on the 25% or better incrementals for 2026, you know as well that's certainly where we like to start the year, and it gives us a lot of flexibility to make investments. We view each one of our segments. So The Americas, EMEA, and Asia all to be delivering 25% or better organic incrementals. In 2026. Reported incrementals, they'll have about a 700 basis point lower impact than organic, and that's really just the result of M&A coming into the year at a starting point of lower margins, which gives us a great opportunity to grow those margins over time. So 25% plus across each of the segments for the year.

I think about price cost in the guide of the six to 7% organic, think of pricing as around a point and a half for the year. We've had a very proven and strong track record of staying ahead of inflation. It's our current view around inflation and tariffs today. And at the same time, we have to remain very nimble and dynamic given input costs. So confident that one and a half points of price would be in a position to drive the 20 to 30 basis points of margin growth as we'd go into any year thinking about price versus inflation, but we'll remain dynamic.

Andy Kaplowitz: Helpful, Chris. And then, Dave, maybe you could talk a little more about your positioning in the data center market. I think the Stellar acquisition is going to help you a lot. But how is Trane adapting in thermal management as it adapts? To maybe a little more liquid cooling. And then obviously, were some comments a few weeks ago from one of your data center partners. So you could opine on, you know, their comments you know, water chillers versus air chillers and so on.

David Regnery: Yeah. Well, hey. Thanks for the question, Andy. Look. At the end of the day, we've been very strong in the data center vertical for decades, and we're gonna be very strong in the future. And the short answer to your question is we see chillers in the data center vertical well into the future. But let me take a step back. Look, we're working very closely with many influencers in the data center vertical. So think of hyperscalers, think of chip manufacturers, like Nvidia and others. We're helping them design data centers of the future. Or you may have heard them referred to as reference design data centers.

And think of these data centers as the data centers that will be built you know, maybe two to four years out. And when we're sitting with these customers, we're bringing our expertise around the thermal management system to the discussions. And I have not seen a reference design or data center of the future that does not include chillers, just to be very clear. Now I think that when we talk about some of these future designs, you're gonna see a lot of innovation around the thermal management system, specifically around the chiller that is really exciting. I won't talk about in too much detail here for obvious reasons, but this is I mean, this is fun.

I mean, when you sit down in these rooms and our engineers are very detailed on this, but it's just you get really creative ideas. We have a lot of these new innovations in the pipeline. Some of them are actually still being in the modeling stage because they're so futuristic in thought process. But I want everyone to realize that Trane Technologies is at the forefront of this innovation. And we're helping our customers think through what's possible. And I'll conclude with we've been very strong in the data center vertical for decades. And we're gonna continue to be very, very strong well into the future.

Andy Kaplowitz: Helpful color, Dave. Thank you.

David Regnery: Alright. Thank you. Thank you.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Amit Mehrotra with UBS. Please go ahead.

Amit Mehrotra: Thanks. Hey, Dave. I just wanted to follow-up on that point because I don't think people are debating whether a chiller will be in a data center in the future. I think the question really is about you know, how much you need to run it and do runtimes get affected, and do you need as many of them? And so I'd appreciate if you can just address that point, particularly also how Trane is positioned in an environment where chillers run less or are needed less.

Because on one side, you're working with NVIDIA to create this reference design, and the other side, you know, one of the main value products you sell in that market could just need less of them or run less. I mean, I don't know if you disagree with that, but I'd love your perspective on it.

David Regnery: Well, I do. I think, first of all, I mean, think about a data center farm in the future. Think about free cooling being built into the data center. Okay? So you'll have a so make up a number here. A 100 chillers will have free cooling capability. To run free cooling, you'll obviously be running the fans. We could debate how often you're gonna run the compressor side of the thermal management system there, but will definitely be running the fans through the free cooling cycle. How you manage that is gonna be very important in the future. And I'm trying to be sensitive here to some of the innovation that you're gonna see coming in the future.

But chillers are mechanical systems. They're not a lot different than maybe your car. So you don't leave your car in the garage for six months and don't run it. Because if you did, you may not be very happy when you go out to try to start it up. So these systems do need to run at some point. And so we're working through that equation. The other side of it is do you need more or less? I think at the end of the day, you have a thermal load that you have to be able to size for the size of the data center. So the answer is you're still gonna have the same number.

The frequency at which the compressor side runs will vary but which could impact the services side as to how often you service these pieces of equipment. And to be fair, we're still modeling that based on different innovations that are coming in the future.

Amit Mehrotra: Got it. Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. And then just maybe more tactically, Chris, the organic growth target 6.5%, obviously, it's an acceleration to 25%. But not as much of an acceleration as that maybe I would have expected given resi is kinda flattish to down. You know, you've got probably applied equipment and services maintaining, if not accelerating growth just given the strength of the orders. Is that a fair assumption? I know you guys like to be conservative out of the gate. And give yourself cushion, especially given the uncertainty of last year and what happened.

But I maybe you'd push back to me saying it's not actually that conservative based on some puts and takes that you think of?

Christopher Kuehn: Yeah. I mean, Amit, we like to set guidance where we can meet it or exceed it, and so that's where we're starting here in January with a lot of flexibility to react to conditions that may present themselves we don't know today. You know, the guidance range on the six to seven on the full year organic, it's got America's commercial HVAC up about 10%. And, again, we think that's very strong growth for that business, and maybe a derisked outlook when you think about residential. You described it as flat to down 5%. Transport markets and residential markets trough in the first half and then much easier comps in the second half of the year.

But transport, we're expecting to be flat to down low single digits. With markets down in the high single digits. We'll outperform. So I think it's a reasonable start to the year. We have a lot of confidence in delivering on the results like we would anytime here in January. And when you think about transport and residential, they're making up around 25, 30% of the portfolio that we're not baking in much growth for. On the full year basis. So we expect that they'll improve in the second half on easier comps. We've got great teams and innovations. We keep leaning both of those portfolios. And we'll see how the year kinda plays out.

But we have a lot of confidence in the guide that we just put today.

Amit Mehrotra: K. I thought I'd ask that question, but thank you, Chris, for entertaining it. Appreciate it. Take care, guys.

Christopher Kuehn: Thanks, Amit.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Obin with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Andrew Obin: Yes. Good morning.

David Regnery: Hey, Andrew. How are you? Good morning.

Andrew Obin: I'm great. Just a question on residential in the first quarter. I think the scope of sort of under absorption in the fourth quarter was a little bit surprising to us. At the same time, you commented that residential market was better in the fourth quarter. How should we think about under absorption relative to sort of normal operating leverage? In Americas in '26.

David Regnery: Yeah. I'll let Chris talk about the unobserved. Let me just clarify a few things. I'm not sure the market was a lot stronger in the fourth quarter. I think we were stronger in the fourth quarter on resi. And I would also tell you, Andrew, that we were very, very intentional in these days out. So it wasn't necessarily a surprise to us to deleverage. We kinda had that baked into our models. But we wanted to get this behind us. And we believe it's behind us now. So I know, Chris, you wanna talk about Q1 leverage?

Christopher Kuehn: Sure. And we've got residential in our guide in the first quarter down about 20%. A reminder, the business was up in the high teens in the first quarter of last year. And that drove strong volume growth. For Q1, look. We're still very much in a shoulder season for residential. We'd expect the deleverage in the first quarter to be better than the deleverage we saw in the fourth quarter. To Dave's point, we intentionally took production days out, and that had the strongest impact on a roughly 60% deleverage in the fourth quarter. So think about the first quarter residential deleveraging within gross margins. We've got level loaded production assumptions through the first quarter.

We've got inventory we believe, at the right level in the channel. And then let's see how the year kinda plays out, but I think we really tried to, as one person noted, take the medicine in the fourth quarter as best we could and then set ourselves up well for 2026.

Andrew Obin: Thanks so much. And just I know there is a lot of focus on data centers at a vertical, but at the same time, there are a lot of announcements about biopharma reshoring and, clearly, one of your key verticals. Can you tell us what it is you are seeing in terms of biopharma reshoring, how real it is, how excited should we get about it, into '26, and how much visibility do you have from your customers in '26 and '27? Thank you.

David Regnery: Sure. A great question, Andrew. I mean, I said earlier that, you know, we had 12 of 14 that were positive. One of the verticals that was not positive was life science. Okay? So but if I look at the pipeline of activity, yeah, we see some of those large pharma projects that are, you know, set for reshoring, I said, in the pipeline. We're optimistic. But we'll see how they play out. But we are all over tracking some of those large projects that are in these you know, this classification of mega projects. But we're hopeful that some of those actually come to reality here in the near term.

Christopher Kuehn: Andrew, I'll add, on the $7.8 billion of backlog that we finished 2025 with, there's a bit over a billion dollars of backlog that's for 2027 and beyond. That's up more than 30% versus a year ago, and it reflects multiple verticals. Let me be clear. But you know, again, entering 2026 with a stronger backlog than '25 and certainly building backlog already for '27 and beyond.

Andrew Obin: Thanks so much.

David Regnery: Alright. Thanks, Andrew.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Tommy Moll with Stephens. Please go ahead.

Tommy Moll: Good morning and thank you for taking my questions.

David Regnery: Hey, Tommy. How are you? Good morning.

Tommy Moll: Doing fine. Thanks. Dave, I wanna start by going back to the commentary from NVIDIA that you've elaborated on a bit today. If you think about the HVAC content in the data center, so whatever fraction of every dollar spent on a data center today that you would attribute to HVAC. And then you think about the two to four-year roadmap where you're in discussions already. When we're two to four years out, do you think that fraction is higher, lower, about the same as today?

David Regnery: Yeah. I'm gonna err on the side of saying it's probably about the same. Okay? You gotta look at the whole thermal management system, and that's one of the advantages that we bring to these conversations as we do look at the whole thermal management system. I think the amount of power that is being consumed by the thermal management system may be less. Okay? So think of it as a trade-off between you will still need the thermal management system. How often it runs or the power that it consumes may be less. Therefore, you'll have the opportunity to do more computing within the data center. Right? If that makes sense.

So those are the conversations that are happening where you know, how do we redirect some of the power over to the computing side versus running the thermal management system?

Tommy Moll: Thank you. That's very helpful, Dave. Also wanted to ask a follow-up on resi pricing. Chris, I think earlier you said you have not seen it fade. I'm curious as you dialed in your outlook for sales this year flat to down five. Does that assume some incremental price realization? And 26? And if the answer there is yes, do you feel like you're pricing plus minus in line with other major players in the market there? Thank you.

Christopher Kuehn: Yeah. Tommy, I don't wanna get in front of our residential team in terms of their plans for pricing, so I won't comment specifically there. But the flat to down five residential for the full year on a dollar basis assumes some level of price, whether it be new price increases or carryovers from last year, and then we'll see how the year plays out. It's rough estimates. At this point in time, it's probably a modestly lower year to flat on pricing. We'll see how that plays out.

Tommy Moll: Thank you. I appreciate it, and I'll turn it back.

David Regnery: Thanks, Tommy.

Operator: Our next question will come from the line of Noah Kaye with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Noah Kaye: Hey, thanks for taking the questions. I'd like to pick up on the broad commercial HVAC strength. In the past, I think the split of orders backlog has maybe skewed a little bit more towards retrofit. We're seeing some new construction indicators picking up. So how should we think about new build versus retrofit split as relative drivers of the '26 outlook? And to what extent, if any, the back half acceleration ties into new construction?

David Regnery: Yeah. I mean, I think you need to look at it by vertical, Noah. So certainly in the data center vertical, there's a lot of new construction almost all. But then when you get back into some of the other core verticals, it's very similar to what we've seen in the past. And it makes a lot of sense. Right? I mean, I always tell people look out your window and how many buildings do you see how many cranes do you see. And you'll realize that the majority of our business is focused on the you know, how do you retrofit versus new construction. But it really you gotta really your question's a great one.

Just look at it by different verticals, and you may get a different answer. Okay?

Noah Kaye: Yeah. Very fair. Thanks, Dave. I wanna ask you about Stellar Energy. I guess just how much overlap is there in the customer base today? And maybe can you talk a little bit about kind of key points of differentiation around what this adds to your capabilities?

David Regnery: Yeah. I mean, look. I think that sure. There's some overlap, but at the end of the day, think of Stellar Energy as being able to build modular chiller plants. And, you know, I mean so just the and then these modular chiller plants get assembled on a job site like Legos. And so you're reducing the amount of skilled labor required on the job site. You're moving that back to the factory. You're testing these systems in a different way at a factory there versus what you would do at a job site. So, that's a benefit as well. Look. They're predominantly right now in the data center vertical.

But we see a lot of opportunities for this modular concept in core verticals as well. I think we're all aware of the skilled labor shortages and the potential that has to slow projects up where modular designs are gonna become they're very, you know, very attractive today, but I think they're gonna become even more attractive in other verticals than just the data center vertical.

Noah Kaye: Yeah. And that cross-sell is an opportunity for you. Great. Thank you very much.

David Regnery: Alright. Thanks, Noah.

Christopher Kuehn: Hey, Regina, before you go to the next speaker, let me just clarify a point I made. I don't wanna confuse anybody. Resi down up to 5% in 2026. It's really driven by volume. We'll see where pricing ultimately falls out. I don't want anyone to think that pricing is coming down in that market. You know, the impact may be less than what we saw in 2025, which was significant pricing, but we'll see. But it's really, really volumes coming down that makes up that. I don't wanna intimate that we know pricing's coming down.

Noah Kaye: Thank you.

Operator: And our next question will come from the line of Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Jeff Hammond: Hey. Good morning, guys.

David Regnery: Hey, Jeff. How are you?

Jeff Hammond: Doing great. Maybe just we talked a lot about applied just touch on commercial unitary, your orders, trends. I and how you see that shaping up in '26?

David Regnery: Yeah. I mean, it's a great question. Look. If I go back and look at 2025, applied was extremely strong. But unitary was positive slightly. I guess if I look forward to 2026, you know, look, we have a kind of model right now as flattish. The 2025. We'll see how that plays out as the year progresses. But it and, again, it really depends on different growth rates that we're gonna see in different verticals because some are more apt to have unitary product for supplied systems. But right now, to answer your question, we're looking at it to be flattish in 2026.

Jeff Hammond: Okay. Great. And then looking at your CapEx, I think you're guiding 1% to 2% of sales. You've kind of been in that 1.5% to 2% range. But it just you know, talk to me about what you've been doing behind the scenes to really ramp your capacity in the applied business just given the strength and what you need to do going forward you know, given all that pipeline, you know, in terms of capacity expansion for Applied? And maybe just touch on you know, your ability to kinda continue to ramp on the labor side, you know, for the service business as well.

David Regnery: Good. Good. Let me start. I'll let Chris talk more about the actual dollars being spent. But, look, when we think of capacity, we really break it down into three different areas. One is our four-wall capacity. And that's in our factories itself. That's what we control. And I would tell you that we've been ramping there for a long time, and I think I told you in the third quarter call that, you know, our chiller capacity over the last two or three years is up over four x. Okay? So we've done a nice job there.

And some of that's new builds, some of that is just leaning out, some of that is putting in lines and reducing inventory to create space. So there's a lot of goodness that's there, and I'm very comfortable with our capacity in that space. The other area we look at capacity is on our supply chain. And it's you know, their ability could hinder us if we're not careful. So we spend a lot of time working with our supply chain partners on their capacity. And making sure that they understand what our demands are gonna be in the future. Understand they know kinda like the robustness that we see in our pipelines so that they can anticipate as well.

So that's another bucket that we look at. And, you know, we're in good shape there. I think there's always opportunities to improve, and our team is doing a great job of making sure that we have enough capacity there as our future needs will dictate. The third area that we look at is within our service business. And there, really, it's about being able to not only do the service on this equipment but commission the equipment. Applied Systems, we commission. Right? So we go out to the we're our own employees are out there before the mechanical contractor starts these systems up. We're out there making sure that everything is perfect before we start them up.

And then we make sure that the system is operating the way it was designed before it gets turned over to the customer. And to be fair, we have over 7,500 technicians now on a global basis. So I feel very comfortable in our ability there to make sure that all these applied orders that we've been receiving were not only be able to manufacture, but we're also gonna be able to make sure that we commission on the job sites. Chris, I don't know you wanna talk about the actual capital dollars.

Christopher Kuehn: I mean, we remain CapEx light in terms of intensity. You're right, Jeff, 1.5% to 2% has been the CapEx spend to revenues over the last few years. And it's been able to support all the capacity expansions we needed to do. I would add, though, M&A has been a great option for us as well as we brought in businesses on air handling or industrial process cooling capacity for data centers, the M&A brings capacity as well into our four walls. Then it gives us a lot of optionality as to how we want that production facility to operate, what products will it run, and what can we expand into that as well.

So it's organic and also some inorganic opportunities where we've been able to expand capacity.

Jeff Hammond: Appreciate the questions. Thanks, guys.

David Regnery: Thanks, Jeff.

Operator: Our next question will come from the line of Joe Ritchie with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Joe Ritchie: Hey. Good morning, guys.

David Regnery: Hey, Joe. How are you? Good morning.

Joe Ritchie: Yeah. Doing great. Thanks, Dave. So, look, for all for good reason, there's always a focus on The US data center market. You take a look at your commercial HVAC bookings zone in EMEA up Mid Teens And Some Expectations, You Could Actually See Some Really Robust Growth In The State In The Data Center Market In EMEA And I'm just wondering whether you're starting to see any of that already, and then how are you positioned geographically if things were to really accelerate?

David Regnery: Yeah. I mean, absolutely. We see data centers really on a global basis Joe. So it's not just in The Americas. I will tell you that the size of the data centers is dramatically different in Europe than it is here in The States. And you could almost I mean, the data centers that are built being built in Europe are probably about you know, one-tenth the size of what's the what's being built the majority of what's being built now or what's being certainly planned to be built here in The States. So I am hearing from some that they're gonna be make much larger data centers in Europe, but we'll see how that plays out.

But if it does, we're very well positioned. I mean, we have an incredible portfolio of products really on a global basis. And there are nuances that you will see in the product portfolio for preferences and data centers as you start to move around the world. And my comments on Europe, you could replicate them into Asia. As well because it's, again, a very similar Asia is actually more similar to what we're seeing in Europe right now.

Joe Ritchie: Got it. That's helpful. And then I guess maybe then just double-clicking on those orders. You mentioned your priority verticals in The Americas, most of them, I'm seeing the broad-based growth. Where are you seeing kind of like the real growth in the EMEA side of the business?

David Regnery: Yeah. I mean, it's less we have less data there on the different verticals, but I would say it's, again, broad-based. We certainly see it in data centers. We certainly saw it in commercial as well, commercial office that is which is but it's a focus area. We also see nice growth in Europe as you would expect in our services business. It's as broad-based as you would have in the Americas. We just have less granularity on the verticals and kinda, like, have a reporting mechanism on those verticals. But if you ever come visit us in Europe, I think you'll see us being able to play across all the verticals.

And again, the direct sales force really allows us to pivot to where the opportunities are. That's really on a global basis as well.

Joe Ritchie: I'll leave it at that. Thanks, Dave.

David Regnery: Alright. Thanks, Joe. Take care now.

Operator: Our next question will come from the line of Jeff Sprague with Vertical Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Jeff Sprague: Hey. Thanks. Good morning, everyone.

David Regnery: Hey, Jeff.

Jeff Sprague: Good looking numbers here, guys. Congrats. Hey. I wonder if we could talk a little bit more about price cost. Chris, you gave some color there. But I was just kind of curious, if you could kind of level set us on kind of what you absorbed on tariffs in 2025 what the wraparound might be, and then also just this you know, pretty dramatic, you know, metal spike we are seeing, you know, gold's getting all the attention, but copper and other things have moved a lot. Just how dynamic might your pricing have to be here as we progress through 2026?

Christopher Kuehn: Well, I'm hoping it's less dynamic than what it had to be in 2025, Jeff, but that's the power of the business operating system and the models we have to take into account all of the costs that we can see. But your specific question, just given time on tariffs, we described it about a bit higher than $140 million of tariff cost in 2025 on our last call. We're in that range for what that cost was in 2025 for the full year. And think about that wrapping into 2026. We really have three quarters of that tariff cost in '25. Now you got four quarters of that.

So we expect it to be inflationary from a tariff perspective, maybe in that 50-ish million dollar range in the ballpark. All in, maybe it's 200-ish million of cost that we'll make sure we price accordingly for. But the first step we do is we make sure we mitigate the tariff costs. So the numbers I'm quoting you are after mitigation. So we're continuing to work with suppliers on the short term to the long term. To ultimately mitigate the costs and or move source of supply to really not make this an area where we have to price. And if we do, we're not trying to make it a profit center.

On commodities, we've had a program for well over a decade in terms of how we hedge. Think of copper and aluminum in 2026 now. About half of our needs are hedged at this point. And so we'll continue to layer on hedges as we move throughout the year as we normally would. But we'll remain dynamic in terms of pricing as we see those commodities move. On steel, we have about a six-month lock in terms of pricing. So any pricing moves there impact us beyond six months. But I think a proven track record to stay ahead of inflation and make sure that we've got a positive on the dollars and the margins for price cost.

Jeff Sprague: Great. We're late in the hour. I'll leave it there. Thanks a lot, guys.

David Regnery: Thanks, Jeff.

Operator: Our next question will come from the line of Nigel Coe with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Nigel Coe: Thanks. Good morning, guys.

David Regnery: Nigel, how are you? Morning.

Nigel Coe: Good, Dave. Good. How are you? So you said some very interesting comments. Well, first of all, I wanna say well done on taking the imagery down. That's not easy, but Debbie sets you up well for 2026. So, well done there. Going back to the comments you made on the services intensity for chillers and data centers, I just want to make sure I understand that correctly because, obviously, these aren't running you know, twenty-four seven depending on the ambient temperature. But just could you just remind us, you know, how the service tail on applied systems typically looks versus the upfront cost? And is that materially different for data centers? That'd be an interesting comment.

David Regnery: Yeah. Actually, it's a great question. And, you know, I think I could tell you right now, we think of it at the eight to 10. You've heard us say that number before in an applied system. At least on a thermal management applied system. In data centers, look, to be honest with you, it's probably gonna be a bit lower. And some of that we're still modeling. And there's a couple reasons for that. Right? One is we could all sit there and speculate what the life expectancy is of a thermal management system in a data center. I know what it will run from a mechanical standpoint, and that doesn't change.

But because of the efficiencies that you're gonna see in the if you just follow the track of innovations and how we've been able to improve efficiency over the last five years, if you roll that forward to the next five years, you may start to see some of these chillers have different lives other than the data center. Because you'd switch them out to be able to get power to divert back into the computing side of the equation versus to the thermal management side. So those are some of the variables that are kind of unknown right now.

But you know, the question that came in that I would try to answer was is, hey, if a chiller runs less, do you have the same, you know, service on it? And the reality of it is in a data center, think of it as a chiller. The fan side or the air side of the chiller is gonna run as it does today. The compressor compressing side of the chiller may run less but it still has to run. And if you don't run it, you're gonna end up with problems. So those are kind of the balances that we're working through. So it's pretty dynamic. And we don't have it 100% dialed in.

But I would tell you, we have a lot of people that are modeling that so we can understand.

Nigel Coe: Okay. No. That's clear. Thanks, mate. But don't but don't there's a couple of things that are gonna be the same. Right? Response time, being on the job site, making sure that you have uptime, all that. Is gonna be the same. Connected solutions is all gonna be the same. So we'll still have a big robust service business.

Nigel Coe: Yep. No. Thanks, Dave. And then just one more crack at the resi pricing. Just given the inflation wave that's coming through in that business, and maybe, Chris, it doesn't sound like you want to put a pin on sort of the pricing. I just wondered, is that because the demand environment is too fluid? Raw material inflation impact is too fluid. I mean, any sense on why you're kind of I don't know the mystery of pricing here, but just wondering what's kind of, like, driving our thinking around pricing.

Christopher Kuehn: Well, I'll start with our team hasn't announced a price increase yet for 2026. Okay. That's good. So I'm saying that, you know, we've got we've got for the year, but we'll continue to remain dynamic. Don't wanna signal anything in advance, but, you know, we have a lot of confidence in the team that they're gonna manage well throughout the year. Okay?

Nigel Coe: Okay. Yeah. That's good. Thanks.

David Regnery: Alright. Thanks, Nigel.

Operator: Our final question will come from the line of Steve Tusa with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Steve Tusa: Hey, thanks for putting me in.

David Regnery: Hey, Steve. How are you? Glad you, glad you clarified that resi pricing comment because a few messages came in immediately when you said down. So, obviously, some sensitivity around that. But just the commercial HVAC side, can you help reconcile the like 100% plus applied orders and the 35% total orders, like, what was down to kind of get it to that rate or is applied just you know, a smaller piece of that pie?

Christopher Kuehn: We saw growth in orders in both applied and unitary here in the fourth quarter. Unitary, you know, closer to that low single-digit kind of range, but it was positive. I guess I'd leave it there. I mean, it's pretty broad-brushed in terms of the verticals where we saw growth. They described the 12 to 14 12 of the 14 verticals.

Steve Tusa: Well, I mean, I guess if they're just fifty-fifty simplistically, wouldn't that be a lot higher of a total order number? Or is there services maybe in there or something?

David Regnery: Yeah. There's services that certainly would be part of the conversation as well in terms of order growth. We'd have to get back to you guys with Yeah. We can do the math on it, Steve. But, you know, also a little bit on comps. What's the prior year comps as well? We have to look at that too.

Steve Tusa: Okay. And then just thinking about this kind of trajectory, obviously, very strong orders, strong backlog. In the first quarter, you're starting at like 7% to eight exiting the year at a higher rate. And obviously, these orders are very strong. Is there something outside of the core applied business? And I guess what I'm getting at is are there like a lot of like liquid cooling related orders that are now coming through and pushing that number higher and driving the acceleration in the second half. It's I know you guys have come out with some really big launches on that front. Is that moving the needle on some of this?

David Regnery: Well, I think we're mixing orders versus revenue. So the revenue is more a function that we're gonna see in the back half of the orders that we've already booked. Steve. So think of it as if our last six months in commercial HVAC in The Americas, our orders are up over 30% just start adding nine months almost on average. To each of those to understand when it's going to ship out. And Europe is very similar. As I said, that was up the high teens level. So all that backlog is gonna come up. To your question on are we seeing robust demand for other elements of the thermal management system? Absolutely, certainly in our pipeline.

And as you can imagine, we're all over it, and the teams are just doing a great job there on the innovation side as well as on the front end talking to customers as to what we have in our portfolio.

Steve Tusa: Okay. And then one last one, Chris. Can you just remind us what the, what the standing kinda tier one Tier two kind of raws base is, so we can kinda, like, do our own math on that inflation dynamic this year?

Christopher Kuehn: Yeah. Tier one is still around $750 million and then the Tier two is around $5.5 to $6 billion in terms of size.

Steve Tusa: Great. Thanks for the details as always.

David Regnery: Alright. Thanks, Steve.

Operator: And that will conclude our question and answer session. I'll turn the conference back over to Zach Nagle for any closing remarks.

Zac Nagle: Thanks, everyone, for joining today's call. As always, we'll be around to take any questions that you may have today or in the coming days. We'll be on the road at a couple of conferences here in February and then into the rest of the quarter. So we look forward to seeing many of you on the road. Thanks very much. Bye.

Operator: This concludes our call for today. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.

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