TriMas (TRS) Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Date

Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2025 at 10 a.m. ET

Call participants

President and Chief Executive Officer — Thomas J. Snyder

Chief Financial Officer — Teresa M. Finley

Vice President, Investor Relations and Communications — Sherry Lauderback

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Takeaways

Net Sales -- $269 million in net sales in the third quarter of 2025, a year-over-year increase of more than 17% driven primarily by organic growth, acquisition, and favorable currency effects.

Organic Sales Growth -- Over 16% organic growth, excluding impacts from currency fluctuations and acquisitions or dispositions.

Segment Growth -- All three segments delivered year-over-year sales growth, with Aerospace achieving over 37% organic growth and Specialty Products up 7.2% (after offsetting a $5.2 million divestiture-related decline).

Acquisition and Divestiture Impact -- The GMT Aerospace acquisition contributed $6.2 million in incremental sales; the AeroEngine divestiture reduced sales by $5.2 million.

Currency Translational Impact -- Positive currency exchange effects added $2.1 million to net sales.

Operating Profit -- $30.3 million, up 34% year over year, with a 140 basis point operating margin expansion led by Aerospace on an adjusted basis.

Adjusted EBITDA -- $48 million in adjusted EBITDA, reflecting growth of more than 25% and 110 basis points of margin improvement to 17.8%.

Adjusted Earnings Per Share -- Adjusted earnings per share of $0.61, a 42% increase from the same quarter in 2024.

Balance Sheet/Leverage -- Net debt improved to 2.2 times EBITDA, down from 2.6 times as of year-end 2024, as a result of debt reduction from GMT acquisition payoff and stronger earnings.

Free Cash Flow -- $26.4 million in free cash flow in the third quarter of 2025 and $43.9 million year to date through September 30, 2025, more than triple the $12.6 million generated in the same period of 2024.

Packaging Segment Performance -- Organic sales increased 2.6%, while operating profit declined 4.3% due to a nonrecurring $1.1 million gain in Q3 2024; operating margin contracted 120 basis points to 13.4%.

Aerospace Segment Performance -- Segment sales grew more than 45% year-over-year, benefiting from robust end-market demand, improved throughput, the GMT acquisition, and the absence of last year’s work stoppage (on an adjusted basis excluding the impact of special items); operating profit more than doubled, with 860 basis points of margin expansion compared to the third quarter of 2024.

Specialty Products Performance -- Norris Cylinder delivered a 31% sales increase, nearly 40% improvement in operating profit, and 50 basis points of margin expansion for its business within the segment.

Full-Year 2025 Outlook Raised -- Full-year 2025 sales growth is now expected to be around 10% compared to 2024, with adjusted EPS guidance raised to $2.02-$2.12 for full-year 2025, up from $1.95-$2.10, and a new midpoint representing a 25% increase from last year.

Operational Excellence Initiative -- Launch of a company-wide Lean Six Sigma program targeting efficiency, standardization, and cost reduction, beginning with packaging facilities in Indiana and Mexico.

Strategic Planning Process -- In-depth strategic review underway utilizing Hoshin Kanri methods for objective setting and accountability across all divisions and sites.

Brand Consolidation Effort -- Implementation of a unified “One TriMas” brand initiative, replacing six-plus legacy brands within packaging, to improve customer experience and cross-selling opportunities.

ERP System Rollout -- Successful implementation at a second location, improving data visibility and operational streamlining.

Manufacturing Optimization -- Active review of global footprint to adjust capacity in response to trade policies, tariffs, and customer preferences for local production.

Summary

TriMas (NASDAQ:TRS) reported broad-based year-over-year sales gains across all segments in the third quarter, highlighted by more than 37% organic growth and record quarterly sales in the Aerospace division. The company’s balance sheet continued to strengthen, marked by declining net debt and improved leverage ratios. Strategic management initiatives include the launch of a global operational excellence program, in-depth strategic planning, and a packaging brand consolidation effort, all intended to drive future performance. Management raised full-year 2025 guidance for both sales and adjusted EPS (non-GAAP), with upward revisions attributed mainly to sustained outperformance in aerospace markets. Proactive responses to tariff headwinds were noted, as management highlighted ongoing mitigation efforts in the packaging segment.

The operating profit expansion was driven predominantly by Aerospace, featuring an 860 basis point improvement, while the packaging segment experienced a margin decline attributed to a one-time gain in Q3 2024.

Management confirmed that packaging operating margins for full-year 2025 are expected to remain broadly flat compared to 2024 on an adjusted (non-GAAP) basis, citing stabilization initiatives and ongoing exposure to tariff pressures.

Continuous improvement actions in both packaging and aerospace include targeted investments in automation, capacity, and process optimization, with immediate pilots underway for Lean Six Sigma deployment.

Management stated that the aerospace order book for 2026 is "very, very strong," and recent capital expenditures have addressed capacity constraints primarily limited by availability of skilled labor.

The ongoing board-level strategic portfolio review remains in progress, with updates to be provided at a later date as decisions are finalized.

Industry glossary

Hoshin Kanri: A strategic planning methodology that aligns company objectives and initiatives through a cascading process emphasizing measurable goals and accountability at all organization levels.

Lean Six Sigma: An operational excellence approach combining Lean manufacturing for waste reduction and Six Sigma for defect minimization, applied for process standardization and efficiency.

Order Book: The aggregate value of confirmed, undelivered customer orders as of a specific date, indicating backlog and future revenue visibility within the aerospace segment.

Adjusted EBITDA: Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization as adjusted for special items, used by management and investors to assess core operating performance.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Sherry Lauderback: Thank you, and welcome to TriMas Corporation's third quarter 2025 earnings call. Participating on the call today are Thomas J. Snyder, TriMas' President and CEO, and Teresa M. Finley, our Chief Financial Officer. We will provide our prepared remarks on our third quarter results and full-year outlook, and then we will open up the call for questions. In order to assist with the review of our results, we have included today's press release and presentation on our company website, at trimascorp.com under the Investors section. In addition, a replay of this call will be available later today by calling 877-660-6853 with Meeting ID of 13756458.

Before we get started, I would like to remind everyone that our comments today may contain forward-looking statements that are inherently subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. Please refer to our most recent Form 10-K and 10-Q to be filed later today for a list of factors that could cause our results to differ from those anticipated in any forward-looking statements. Also, we undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements except as required by law. We would also direct your attention to our website where considerably more information may be found.

In addition, we would like to refer you to the appendix in our press release or presentation for the reconciliations between GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures used today during the call. The discussion today on the call regarding our financial results will be on an adjusted basis excluding the impact of special items. At this point, I'll turn the call over to Tom. Tom?

Thomas J. Snyder: Thank you, Sherry. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. As I conclude my fourth month as CEO, I remain energized by the opportunity to lead this great organization. Over these four months, I've had the privilege of engaging with our teams around the world, visiting 16 facilities, listening to our employees, and gaining a deeper understanding of operations and the opportunities that lie ahead. What I've seen is a company with solid capabilities, powered by talented people and deeply committed to delivering value for our customers and our shareholders. At the same time, I have identified opportunities for continuous improvement. Areas where I believe we can evolve, innovate, and enhance our foundation for the future.

Let's turn to slide three. This quarter, we've continued to take meaningful steps to strengthen our company and position TriMas for long-term success. I'd like to take a moment to highlight a few initiatives on this call. First, we're launching a comprehensive global operational excellence program to drive continuous improvement, enhance efficiency, and share best practices across our footprint. This will be our company-wide operating system rooted in Lean Six Sigma principles designed to improve safety, quality, delivery, and cost while increasing speed and standardization. In the next two weeks, we'll begin implementation within our packaging business at two larger locations in Indiana and Mexico as initial model lines for this rollout.

We expect to use these pilots to prove benefits, refine the playbook, and then scale across the network supported by visible daily management and leadership accountability. Over the next month, we are beginning a comprehensive strategic planning process. While strategic assessments are a regular part of our annual cycle, this year's approach goes much deeper. We will rigorously assess where we win, where untapped potential exists, and where to focus going forward. Using internal and external data, structured strategy tools, and fresh voice of the customer input, we will develop a Hoshin Kanri roadmap, often called True North alignment, that cascades from the enterprise value to each division and site.

This work will set clear direction on our most important objectives, define actionable initiatives, and assign ownership and timelines for accountability. Our goal is simple: align the entire One TriMas team on the few priorities that matter most and ensure consistent execution across the company. In our packaging group, we've also launched the One TriMas brand unit initiative, a strategic effort to unify and elevate our brand identity and organizational culture across all regions and business units. Our goal is to consolidate the six-plus legacy brands into one consistent brand across TriMas packaging, creating a more cohesive and compelling experience for our customers and our employees, enhancing cross-selling opportunities, and simplifying and fine-tuning our message.

As part of this effort, we are conducting internal and customer-facing interviews to gain deep insights as to how our brand is perceived, where we can improve, and how we can more effectively communicate the value we deliver. Additionally, we have successfully rolled out our new ERP system to a second location, significantly streamlining our operations and enhancing data visibility. We will continue to invest in automation and tools to enhance productivity, provide critical business data, and increase responsiveness. These investments will help us reduce costs, improve consistency, and free up our teams to focus on higher-value activities.

And finally, as part of our global manufacturing optimization strategy, we are starting to actively evaluate our capacity and footprint to better support growth, enhance operational efficiency, and respond to evolving market dynamics. In light of evolving trade policies, including tariffs, and the increasing customer demand for manufacturing flexibility, cost-effectiveness, and localized production, it is more important than ever that we have the right capabilities in the right locations. This effort involves a thorough assessment of our global operations to ensure we can deliver high-quality products efficiently while remaining agile and responsive to customer needs. We are analyzing production volumes, logistic flows, cost structures, and regional demand patterns to determine where we can scale, consolidate, or invest to optimize performance.

Together, these initiatives reflect our commitment to build a more agile, efficient, and growth-focused enterprise. By strengthening our operational foundation, aligning strategic priorities, and investing in our people and infrastructure, we are positioning TriMas to deliver sustainable value for our customers, employees, and shareholders. I'm confident the actions we are taking will serve as a strong catalyst for long-term success. Before I shift gears to talk about our third-quarter financial performance, I wanted to touch base on the board-level strategic portfolio review we announced earlier this year. We are well into that process, evaluating our options, and actively working on bringing this review to conclusion.

However, as we have said in the past, we're not able to specifically announce any updates at this time, but we'll let you know as soon as we can. The team remains committed to making decisions that serve the best interest of our company and our shareholders. Turning to Slide four, I'm pleased to report a strong third-quarter performance with year-over-year sales growth across all three segments. TriMas delivered over 16% organic sales growth along with improved cash flow and earnings per share driven by solid execution and disciplined operational management. TriMas Aerospace led the way, posting record quarterly sales with over 37% organic growth, expanded margins, and a strong backlog that supports continued momentum.

TriMas packaging remains on track for GDP-plus growth, supported by ongoing improvement initiatives that position the business for enhanced performance as we look into 2026. These results are a testament to the dedication and focus of our global teams. I want to sincerely thank all our employees for their hard work and continued commitment to delivering value. With that, I'll turn it over to Teresa to walk through the financials and segment results for the quarter. Teresa?

Teresa M. Finley: Thank you, Tom. Let's turn to Slide five, highlighting our third-quarter 2025 financial performance. We delivered another strong quarter with consolidated net sales reaching $269 million, up more than 17% year over year. Organic growth exceeded 16% for the quarter, excluding the effects of currency fluctuations and acquisitions and dispositions. Sales from our February acquisition of GMT Aerospace in Germany contributed $6.2 million, more than offsetting the $5.2 million reduction from the divestiture of AeroEngine in our specialty products segment. Favorable currency exchange contributed an additional $2.1 million to net sales, further increasing our overall growth for the quarter.

Consolidated operating profit increased by 34% year over year to $30.3 million, reflecting strong revenue growth and a 140 basis point expansion in our operating margin led primarily by improvements in aerospace. This performance translated to a meaningful increase in consolidated adjusted EBITDA, which grew more than 25% to $48 million, with margin improvement of 110 basis points to 17.8%. Our adjusted earnings per share increased to $0.61, representing a 42% increase compared to the third quarter of 2024. Turning to our year-to-date performance on Slide six, I won't spend too much time here, as the trends closely align with our strong third-quarter results. Year to date, sales are up 12.7%, driven almost entirely by organic growth of 12.6%.

We've expanded our operating profit margin by 240 basis points to 11% and delivered diluted EPS of $1.68, a 38% increase year over year. These results reflect the sustained momentum across our businesses and the disciplined execution of our initiatives. Turning to the balance sheet and capital position on Slide seven, we continue to maintain a solid and flexible balance sheet, supported by low interest rates and long-term debt with no maturities until 2029. Net debt declined from both prior periods as we continue to pay down the increase associated with the GMT acquisition.

As a result of higher earnings and ongoing debt reduction, our net leverage improved to 2.2 times as of September 30, 2025, down from 2.6 times at the end of 2024. Free cash flow for the third quarter improved to $26.4 million, bringing year-to-date free cash flow to $43.9 million, more than triple the $12.6 million generated during the same period last year. This improvement reflects our enhanced operating performance and working capital management. Overall, we believe our capital structure is well-positioned to support both near-term operations and future strategic investments. Let's shift gears and take a closer look at our Q3 segment performance, beginning with packaging on Slide eight.

In the Packaging segment, organic sales grew 2.6% after adjusting for currency, reflecting continued strength in demand for dispensers in the beauty and personal care market. This was partially offset by softer demand for closures and flexibles primarily used in food and beverage applications. Operating profit for the quarter was $18.2 million, a 4.3% decline, primarily due to a tough year-over-year comparison as the third quarter of 2024 included a $1.1 million gain from the sale of non-core properties. As a result, operating margin contracted by 120 basis points to 13.4%, while adjusted EBITDA margin came in at 20.1%. Once again, our teams continued to navigate direct tariff impacts effectively through proactive commercial strategies, including pricing adjustments and supplier negotiations.

Looking ahead to full-year 2025, we continue to expect GDP-plus sales growth and relatively stable margins compared to 2024, as we continue to drive commercial discipline and continuous improvement initiatives that Tom mentioned earlier. With one quarter remaining, we're closely monitoring the evolving global tariff environment, which does remain one of the most significant external factors affecting the packaging industry. Longer term, we remain focused on positioning our packaging business for sustainable, profitable growth. Turning to Slide nine, I'll review our aerospace segment. Our Aerospace group delivered another record-setting quarter, once again surpassing $100 million in revenue with a year-over-year sales increase of more than 45%.

This outstanding performance was driven by continued strength in the aerospace and defense market, improved throughput against a robust order book, disciplined contract execution, and $6.2 million in acquisition-related sales from GMT, now operating as TriMas Aerospace Germany, or as we call TAG. The year-over-year comparison also benefited from the absence of a work stoppage that impacted Q3 2024 results. Operating profit more than doubled compared to the prior year, with margins expanding by 860 basis points. Our trailing twelve-month adjusted EBITDA margin now stands at 23%, reflecting the aerospace team's strong execution across the board, from accelerated factory floor and operational excellence initiatives to strategic procurement actions and delivering innovative solutions that meet evolving customer needs.

Given our strong year-to-date performance, we remain confident in achieving full-year 2025 organic sales growth of 20% plus, along with margin improvement of over 500 basis points versus 2024. We're highly encouraged by the long-term growth outlook, supported by a healthy backlog and our continued focus on customer-driven innovation. To sustain this momentum, we are prioritizing targeted capital investments to expand capacity and drive further operational improvements across TriMas Aerospace. If we turn to Slide 10, I will now cover our specialty products segment. Norris Cylinder delivered an improved performance in the third quarter, with sales up 31% year over year as they continue to recapture market share.

This growth more than offset the $5.2 million reduction in sales resulting from the divestiture of AeroEngine. As a result, the segment posted overall sales growth of 7.2% compared to Q3 2024. Operating profit for this segment was relatively flat year over year, as the higher profit contribution related to Norris Cylinder was offset by the loss of profit related to the divestiture. However, it's worth noting that Norris Cylinder grew operating profit year over year nearly 40% while expanding margins another 50 basis points. For full-year 2025, we expect Norris Cylinder to deliver mid to high single-digit sales growth with operating margins trending slightly higher year over year.

We remain focused on driving operational efficiencies and leveraging demand tailwinds to support continued profitable growth within the segment. I will now turn the call back to Tom to provide further details on our outlook.

Thomas J. Snyder: Thank you, Teresa. Let's now turn to Slide 11. As highlighted in our press release this morning, we are raising our full-year 2025 outlook following three strong quarters. We're increasing both our sales and earnings per share guidance, supported by continued strength in our aerospace business. We now expect full-year sales growth of approximately 10% compared to 2024, and adjusted earnings per share in the range of $2.02 to $2.12, as compared to the previous guidance of $1.95 to $2.10 per share. At this new midpoint, this represents a 25% increase over last year's earnings per share of $1.65, an encouraging step forward in our growth trajectory.

While we expect much of this positive momentum to continue, it's important to note that Q4 typically reflects seasonal softness driven by fewer production days and customer holiday shutdowns. Additionally, the evolving tariff environment continues to introduce uncertainty in customer order patterns and consumer demand, which we are actively monitoring. That said, we remain focused on mitigating these impacts through proactive planning and ongoing performance improvement initiatives. Before turning to Q&A, I want to reiterate how pleased I am to be part of TriMas and how excited I am about our future.

While each of our businesses, TriMas Packaging, TriMas Aerospace, and Specialty Products, is at a different stage in its cycle, all are well-positioned to deliver long-term growth and value. I'm excited about what we can accomplish together, and I look forward to working with our teams, customers, and investors to build an even stronger TriMas. Thank you. And with that, I'll turn the call back to Sherry.

Sherry Lauderback: Thanks, Tom. At this point, we would like to open the call to questions from our analysts. Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press *1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press *2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star key. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. The first question comes from Ken Newman with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Ken Newman: Hey, good morning. Teresa, I just wanted to clarify—oh, sorry. This is Katie, in for Ken. Should've said that. Hi, Katie. Good morning. Teresa, I wanted to clarify one of the comments you said when you were talking about expectations for packaging margins. Did I hear you say that you expect those to be relatively stable in full-year '25 versus 2024?

Teresa M. Finley: Yeah, that's correct, Katie. We expect about flat margins year over year.

Ken Newman: Gotcha. Okay. And then can you help us think about how much cost-out benefited margins within packaging this quarter? And then how much dry powder you think is left for improvement within that segment?

Teresa M. Finley: Well, I'll start, but I'll turn it to Tom. I think we see some definite upside on the activities that we're putting in place across the packaging business. The continuous improvement initiatives that Tom referenced should certainly help us manage our costs going forward, no matter what environment is presented to us in 2026. So we certainly see opportunities ahead.

Thomas J. Snyder: Yeah, we're early in that process. You know, we're identifying opportunities. I anticipate a lot of activity, especially as we look towards next year. And the opportunity to everything that I said earlier really about optimizing our footprint, figuring out where we should be making what, and then putting the tools of lean in place and driving standardization across these facilities. As we've talked before, these were really separate companies run independently in a lot of regards, not running to any best practices or any particular standards. And so there's definitely a lot of opportunity to improve that. But we're early in that.

We're kicking it off right now, and I look forward to continuing to report on that as we go forward.

Teresa M. Finley: Katie, I would add that, you know, in the quarter, as in previous quarters and likely in Q4, we continue to manage our tariff pressures across the packaging business. We're doing pretty well in managing that through pricing actions and procurement actions, but there is a bit of a headwind, you know, obviously, on our business, and that we need to continue to try and overcome, maybe somewhere around thirty to forty basis points in a given quarter. But we're doing well managing that, but that is a headwind we don't think is going to disappear any time soon.

Ken Newman: Got it. And then if I could just squeeze one more in here. I think Halmet had mentioned that they put up 30% EBITDA margins in their fastener business recently. Any thoughts on how high the TriMas business could get and if that's a reasonable, you know, long-term goal?

Teresa M. Finley: You know, we get that question a lot, Katie. Yeah. We've had such great performance out of the aerospace. But I would just say we like where our margins are today. You know, we're looking at certainly balancing growth and balancing continuous increase in margin. We think there's always opportunities, constantly looking at, you know, robotics and other things to take out costs and to create more throughput. So I don't want to say we're done, but I would say we like where we are today.

Thomas J. Snyder: I will just say too, let me add to that, and I've, you know, in the visits that I've been to, in these facilities, there's a lot of activity about increasing throughput, value stream mapping their operations, identifying areas where they can reduce waste. They're energized about that. We're pretty excited to see kind of the work that they're doing in that area. And so I think, you know, between the throughput improvements that they're making in the plants and then the additional—we've talked about this before—the capacity that we had largely through adding human resources, skilled trades into these operations. That is one of the bottlenecks to continuing to improve throughput.

And we do that in a very measured approach, and so we did that this year. We have opportunities to continue to do that next year. So we'll see both, I think, throughput increase as well as productivity, overall volume and productivity both, in those aerospace facilities. Hopefully, that gives you a little bit additional color.

Ken Newman: Yeah. Thanks for the detail.

Sherry Lauderback: Our next question comes from Hamed Khorsand with BWS Financial. Please proceed with your question.

Hamed Khorsand: Hi. Good morning. I just want to start off with on the packaging side. You've talked about different strategic events there and, you know, trying to manage the business. Why is it every quarter there's a lot of moving parts associated with it? And do you feel like you're ahead of the curve or right at where the market is?

Thomas J. Snyder: Can you explain a little bit when you say a lot of moving parts, what you're looking at, what you're thinking?

Hamed Khorsand: Sure. Like, well, last quarter and two quarters prior, you know, you were talking about, you know, the beauty market moving higher. You know, this quarter, you're talking about how you're trying to manage the business with growth strengths. So I'm just trying to understand, like, do you actually have, you know, you're on the pulse of this business, or you just plan?

Thomas J. Snyder: Gotcha. Yeah. Let me, I can give you a little bit of insight from my perspective here. You know, we continue to see strong growth in the dispensing side of the business. We, especially in certain markets, see a lot of growth in Latin America. We continue to see that. I think we've been consistent, I think. I mean, I haven't been here that long, but I think that's what we've been saying. On the closure side of the business, it's been, I think we've been consistent there as well. It's been softer than we'd like to see. And both in the US and in Europe, for different reasons perhaps, we've seen some softness.

We're more beverage-oriented in Europe, and we're more food-oriented, let's say, in the US.

Hamed Khorsand: Sounds like here.

Thomas J. Snyder: I'm sorry?

Hamed Khorsand: Oh, sorry. You broke up there. Go ahead.

Thomas J. Snyder: Oh, so, you know, we've seen some, like I said, softness in that closures market. You know, I think it's consistent with what we've been addressing all year. And the industrial business, that continues to be a very stable business. This year, in fact, slightly growing for a very mature business. And so that's the, if you want to talk about the moving parts, I mean, those are the parts that are moving.

Teresa M. Finley: Hey, Hamed. And I would just add that we've been consistent all year that we're going to turn out GDP-plus growth, and we're on track to do that this year. So, you know, in terms of, you know, consistency there, I don't know if that helps with your question.

Hamed Khorsand: That's helpful. And as you look out into 2026, is there anything that bothers you as far as clarity goes in the packaging business?

Thomas J. Snyder: Well, you know, overall, you know, the situation we're talking about, the tariff situation, the lack of, you know, global, let's say, demand and economy, all those kind of macro factors that are going to impact any business. You know? Those always worry me a bit. But I tend to be a lot more optimistic than pessimistic when I think about next year because, again, I just think there's a lot of things that this business should have been doing that they weren't doing over the past, you know, past. And I've addressed those in the plan that we laid out here a few minutes ago. As far as looking into the future.

So, you know, consolidating our businesses into, like, one brand. Bringing broader awareness to our customers. I mean, a lot of customers don't even know TriMas, let's say, when I say not necessarily our customers, but broadly into the packaging space, when you talk about, you know, TriMas, they might know some of the brands. They're closer to some of those individual historic brands. But they don't know the breadth or the depth of kind of what we can provide. And we've seen some firsthand situations here recently where there's been some real surprise. Like, oh, you do that. That's great. So I think we're going to, you know, that's a really important thing.

And then, you know, getting our plants, you know, operationally aligned and driving best practices, that's something that should have been done from the time these plants were acquired. And so, you know, we're going to see improvements on the operating side. We're going to see improvements on the commercial side. And I'm very comfortable with an optimistic view as we look forward.

Hamed Khorsand: Great. And just lastly, on the aerospace side, how does your order book look for '26? And do you have the capacity to grow compared to 2025 levels on a unit volume basis?

Thomas J. Snyder: Yeah. Our order book is booked for the most part, right? We're for 2026. It's very, very strong. And then we did add some capacity, some CapEx this year to meet the demands of some of our contracts moving forward. And as I mentioned earlier, you know, we're constrained primarily around our skilled resources that we have in our facilities. They're very high-skilled tradesmen that are operating in these facilities. We grow capacity roughly 10% a year or somewhere in that area, based on the amount of people that we feel is responsible to add and train and bring up to speed in this highly, you know, quality-oriented business.

Hamed Khorsand: Okay. Very good. Thank you.

Thomas J. Snyder: You're welcome.

Sherry Lauderback: We have reached the end of our question and answer session. I would like to now turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.

Teresa M. Finley: Once again, thank you for joining us today and for your continued interest in TriMas. We appreciate your ongoing support, and we look forward to updating you on our progress next quarter. Thank you.

Sherry Lauderback: Thank you, everyone.

Operator: This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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