Bank of Hawaii (BOH) Q3 2025 Earnings Transcript

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Date

Monday, Oct. 27, 2025, at 2 p.m. ET

Call participants

• Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer — Peter S. Ho
• Vice Chair and Chief Risk Officer — Bradley Shairson
• Vice Chair and Chief Financial Officer — Bradley S. Satenberg
• Director of Investor Relations — Chang Park

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Takeaways

• Fully Diluted EPS -- $1.20 per share (Q3 2025), reflecting a 29% year-over-year increase and a 13% rise from the prior quarter
• Net Interest Margin (NIM) -- Rose seven basis points to 2.46% in Q3 2025, marking the sixth consecutive quarter of net interest margin expansion.
• Return on Common Equity -- Improved to 13.6%.
• Average Deposits -- Increased at a 7% annualized rate.
• Period-End Loans -- Grew modestly. Consumer loans comprised 57% ($7.9 billion) of the portfolio and commercial loans represented 43% ($6.1 billion).
• Loan Book Geography -- 93% Hawaii, 4% Western Pacific, and 3% Mainland.
• Consumer Loan Quality -- Weighted average loan-to-value at 48%. Weighted average FICO score of 799 on residential mortgage and home equity segments.
• Commercial Real Estate (CRE) Exposure -- $4 billion, equating to 29% of total loans. No property type over 7% of total loans and all segment LTVs under 60%.
• Credit Metrics -- Net charge-offs were $2.6 million (seven basis points annualized). Nonperforming assets at 12 basis points, and criticized loans at 0.5% of total loans.
• Allowance for Credit Losses (ACL) -- Ended at $148.8 million. ACL ratio flat at 1.06% of loans.
• Net Interest Income (NII) -- Increased by $7 million, primarily from asset repricing and deposit growth. Partially offset by an $800,000 decline from deposit mix shift.
• Deposit Cost Dynamics -- Average cost of deposits declined by 12 basis points to 159 basis points. Spot rate on total deposits at period end was 154 basis points.
• Certificate of Deposit (CD) Repricing -- Over 52% of CDs maturing in the next three months at a 3.5% average rate, with renewals expected at 2.5%-3%.
• Interest Rate Swaps -- $1.4 billion notional pay-fixed, receive-float swaps at a weighted average fixed rate of 3.56%; $600 million of forward-starting swaps at a 3.1% weighted average fixed rate.
• Non-Interest Income -- Rose to $46 million. With a $780,000 Visa B charge and excluding a prior quarter $800,000 BOLI recovery in Q2 2025; driven by increases in derivatives, trust, and loan fees.
• Non-Interest Expense -- Non-interest expense reached $112.4 million. With $2.1 million in severance charges and a $900,000 increase primarily due to one additional payday.
• Merchant Services Sale -- Generated an $18 million gain, offset by securities repositioning, with a projected $1 million quarterly pretax earnings improvement and $0.02 per share EPS impact.
• Capital Ratios -- Tier One Capital at 14.3%. Total Risk-Based Capital at 15.4%.
• Dividends -- Paid $28 million on common stock and $5.3 million on preferreds; $0.70 per common share dividend declared for payment during 2025.
• Share Repurchases -- No share repurchases completed during the quarter; $126 million remains authorized.
• Guidance -- NIM expected to further expand, Low single-digit loan growth outlook reaffirmed for Q4 2025 and into 2026, Normalized non-interest income for Q4 2025 projected at $42 million-$43 million, and normalized fourth-quarter non-interest expense at approximately $109 million.

Summary

Bank of Hawaii's (NYSE:BOH) deposit market share in Hawaii improved by 40 basis points as of June 30, 2025, consolidating the number one position as of June 2025. Management implemented fixed-rate loan and investment remixing, converting $594 million at a roll-off rate of 4.1% into a roll-on rate of 6.3%. The total cost of funds and interest-bearing deposit costs declined, contributing further to NIM improvement. Recent investments centered on modernizing the broker-dealer platform through the Saterra partnership and launching Banco Advisors, with ongoing adviser hiring and integration in the wealth and high-net-worth segments. Management described its commercial and consumer business share gains over multiple years as "pretty balanced," according to Peter Ho, attributing success to consistent market commitment without reliance on a single segment.

• Credit portfolio characteristics include over half of CRE loans maturing in 2030 or later. Limited tail risk, with only 1.8% of CRE loans holding greater than 80% LTV.
• The C&I loan portfolio remains diversified, and exposure to non-depository financial institutions (including EFIs) totals just 0.6% of all loans ($85 million), mostly to publicly traded REITs.
• Provision for credit losses decreased to $2.5 million. Effective tax rate of 21.3%. Management forecasting an annual tax rate between 21% and 21.5% for the full year.
• Management expects to resume share repurchases, stating, "we think that there's a great opportunity to deploy capital into repurchases at this point," while maintaining a commitment to dividend stability.
• The 2026 non-interest expense growth rate is projected at "3% to 4%, but probably closer to the lower threes," according to Satenberg, implying controlled cost expectations as wealth investment initiatives continue.

Industry glossary

• BOLI: Bank-Owned Life Insurance; a life insurance policy purchased by a bank on key employees, where the bank is the beneficiary.
• EFIs: Eligible Financial Institutions; non-depository financial firms that may have limited credit exposure on regional bank balance sheets.
• REIT: Real Estate Investment Trust; an entity that owns, operates, or finances income-producing real estate.
• LTV: Loan-to-Value; a ratio expressing the amount of a loan as a percentage of the value of the underlying collateral.
• SNC credit: Shared National Credit; a large loan or loan commitment shared by multiple institutions and regulated under joint supervisory programs.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Peter Ho: Thanks, Chang. Good morning or good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for your continued interest in Bank of Hawaii. We recorded yet another set of strong results for the quarter. Fully diluted earnings per share were $1.20 per share, 29% higher than the results from a year ago, and 13% higher than last quarter. Net interest margin improved for the sixth straight quarter, up seven basis points to 2.46%. Return on common equity improved to 13.6% for the quarter. Average deposits increased by 7% annualized and the period loans increased modestly. Credit quality remained and remains pristine. I'll now touch on some operating highlights as well as an update on our wealth initiative.

Brad Shairson will briefly update you on credit quality, and Bradley S. Satenberg will dive a little deeper into the financials. As a reminder, Bank of Hawaii has a unique business model to create superior risk-adjusted returns by leveraging our unique core Hawaii market, our dominant brand and market positions, and our fortress risk profile. Our market-leading brand position is largely the driver of our market share outperformance. For the 2025 FDIC summary of deposits, released last month, we advanced our number one deposit market share position in Hawaii by 40 basis points as of June 30, 2025.

Since February 2005, Bank of Hawaii has grown market share by 600 basis points, well in excess of any other competitor in the Hawaii market. Interest-bearing deposit costs and total cost of funds both improved in the quarter. Also in the quarter, we remixed $594 million in fixed-rate loans and investments from a roll-off rate of 4.1% and into a roll-on rate of 6.3%, helping to improve net interest margin. As I mentioned, Q3 was the sixth consecutive quarter of NIM expansion. We anticipate NIM to expand further for a number of quarters moving forward. Our fortress credit position is a long-standing core attribute of Bank of Hawaii.

The portfolio is diversified by product type, predominantly secured and possessing superior long-term loss rates. We dynamically manage our credit portfolio, actively managing off loan categories we find not to meet our stringent loss standards. We believe wealth management is a nice opportunity for us, and I'd like to highlight it here. As you can see from this chart, our consumer and commercial businesses have grown steadily over the past twenty years. Wealth AUM growth, however, has lagged. With greater investment, we believe we can improve performance in the local wealth segment. Hawaii has a strong affluent marketplace relative to the broader U.S. market. The wealth segment is fragmented with Bank of Hawaii holding a small fraction of the market.

We see an opportunity to leverage our dominant commercial and similar market positions along with our brand strength to build wealth market share. In the mass affluent space, we recently teamed with Saterra to help us modernize our broker-dealer platform. Our new platform named Banco Advisors will have meaningful technology, client experience, and investment product enhancements over its predecessor operation. We believe the new platform will help us delight both clients and prospective advisers alike. In the high net worth space, we believe stronger client coordination between our commercial and wealth teams will result in meaningful cross-marketing opportunities, especially in the SME segment. We've invested in numerous product and service resources geared specifically for this segment.

While further updates for you all as our initiatives in this area season. And now let me turn the call over to Brad Shairson, who will provide some brief overview comments on credit.

Bradley Shairson: Thanks, Peter. The Bank of Hawaii is dedicated to serving our community, lending in our core markets where our expertise allows us to make sound credit decisions. Most of our loan book is comprised of long-standing relationships with approximately 60% of our clients in both commercial and consumer having been with us for over a decade. This combination has significantly contributed to our strong credit performance over the years, resulting in a loan portfolio that is 93% Hawaii, 4% Western Pacific, and just 3% Mainland, where we support our clients who conduct business both in Hawaii and on the Mainland.

As I review our credit portfolio's third-quarter performance, you will see that it has remained strong and consistent with recent quarters. Our loan book is balanced between consumer and commercial, with consumer representing a little over half of total loans at 57% or $7.9 billion. We predominantly lend on a secured basis against real estate, 86% of our consumer portfolio consists of either residential mortgage or home equity with a weighted average LTV of just 48% and a combined weighted average FICO score of 799. The remaining 14% of consumer consists of auto and personal loans where our average FICO scores are 731 and 761, respectively.

Moving on to commercial, our portfolio size is $6.1 billion or 43% of total loans. 73% is real estate with a weighted average LTV of only 55%. The largest segment of this book is commercial real estate with $4 billion in assets, which equates to 29% of total loans. Looking at the dynamics for real estate in Oahu, the state's largest market, a combination of consistently low vacancy rates and flat inventory levels continue to support a stable real estate market. Within the different segments, vacancy rates for industrial, office, retail, and multifamily are all below or close to their ten-year averages. Total office space has decreased about 10% over the past ten years.

This has been driven by conversions primarily to multifamily and lodging. This long-term trend of office space reduction along with the return to office movement has brought the vacancy rate closer to its ten-year average and well below national averages. Breaking down our CRE portfolio, it is well diversified across property types with no sector representing more than 7% of total loans. Our conservative underwriting has been consistently applied with all weighted average LTVs under 60%. Not only is our CRE portfolio diversified across segments, but it is also diversified within each segment as evidenced by our low average loan sizes.

And our scheduled maturities are fairly evenly spread out with more than half of our loans maturing in 2030 or later. Looking at the distribution of LTVs, there isn't much tail risk in our CRE portfolio. Only 1.8% of CRE loans have greater than 80% LTV. Turning to C&I, which comprises 11% of our total loans, you will notice that this book is also well diversified across industries, and also has modest average loan sizes. Additionally, only a small portion of these loans are leveraged. Given recent industry news, we've added a slide to highlight our limited exposures to non-depository financial institutions and EFIs.

The loans fall within our C&I portfolio and equate to only 0.6% of total loans or $85 million. And of that $85 million, $74 million are to publicly traded equity REITs and just $11 million to private equity. Not only are the exposures small, but we know the borrowers well, and are comfortable with our nominal exposure. Turning to asset quality, credit metrics have actually improved from last quarter's pristine levels. Net charge-offs were just $2.6 million at seven basis points annualized. Flat to linked quarter and four basis points lower than a year ago. Nonperforming assets were down one basis point from the linked quarter to 12 basis points and two basis points lower than a year ago.

Delinquencies ticked lower by four basis points to 29 basis points this quarter and two basis points lower than a year ago. Criticized loans dropped by one basis point to 0.5% of total loans, which is 37 basis points lower than a year ago. And the vast majority, 83% of criticized assets, are real estate secured with a weighted average LTV of 55%. As an update on the allowance for credit losses on loans and leases, the ACL ended the quarter at $148.8 million. That's up $240,000 for the linked quarter. The ratio of our ACL to outstandings remained flat at 1.06%. I will now turn this over to Bradley S. Satenberg for an update on our financials.

Bradley S. Satenberg: Thanks, Brad. For the quarter, we reported net income of $53.3 million and a diluted EPS of $1.20 per share. An increase of $5.7 million and $0.14 per share compared to the linked quarter. These increases were primarily driven by the continued expansion of our net interest income and net interest margin, which grew by $7 million and seven basis points, respectively. The expansion in both our NII and NIM was driven by the combination of fixed asset repricing which added $3.3 million for NII as well as growth in the average balance of our deposits and the successful repricing of our CD book. Partially offsetting these benefits was the deposit mix shift.

During the third quarter, the mix shift was $104 million and had an $800,000 negative impact on our NII. The average mix shift during the first three quarters of this year declined by $350 million to $67 million per quarter compared to $417 million per quarter for the same period last year. During the quarter, the yield on our interest-earning assets increased by seven basis points, benefiting from an improvement in the yield on both our loan portfolio and securities portfolio. At the same time, the cost of our interest-bearing liabilities declined by two basis points driven by a modest decline in the cost of our deposits, which decreased to 159 basis points.

The average cost was inflated during the quarter due to several large transitory high-cost deposits. The spot rate on our deposits was 154 basis points or five basis points lower than the average during the period. Our beta at the end of the quarter was 28%, and I believe that we will ultimately achieve a 35% beta after Fed funds hits a terminal rate. The repricing of our CD book will lag our non-maturity deposits. During the quarter, the average cost of our deposits declined by 12 basis points and I expect that the vast majority of our CDs will continue to reprice down.

During the next three months, over 52% of our CDs will mature at an average rate of 3.5% and will generally renew into new CDs at rates ranging from 2.5% to 3%. The spot rate on our CD book at the end of the quarter was 3.32% or eight basis points lower than our average during the quarter. We also repositioned our interest rate swap portfolio by terminating a billion dollars of swaps that were scheduled to mature in 2026. Half of these swaps hedged our loans, while the other half hedged our AFS securities. In addition, we added $100 million spot starting swap as well as $100 million forward starting swap.

As a result of these actions, we finished the quarter with a pay-fixed, receive-float interest rate swap portfolio of $1.4 billion with a weighted average fixed rate of 3.56%. Down 41 basis points from the linked quarter. $1.1 billion of these swaps are hedging our loan portfolio, while $300 million are hedging our securities. In addition, we had $600 million of forward starting swaps at a weighted average fixed rate of 3.1% at the September. $100 million of the forward swaps became active in early October, while the remaining $500 million will become active in 2026. As a result of the repositioning, our fixed to float ratio migrated up from 55% to 57% during the quarter.

We are currently forecasting two additional 25 basis point rate cuts this year and anticipate that each cut will initially reduce our NII by approximately $300,000 but that the impact will ultimately turn positive after our CD book reprices and result in an estimated positive contribution of $1.6 million to our quarterly NII. Non-interest income increased to $46 million during the quarter compared to $44.8 million in the linked quarter. Non-interest income in the third quarter included a $780,000 charge related to a Visa B conversion ratio change, while the linked quarter included a one-time gain of approximately $800,000 related to a BOLI recovery.

Adjusting for these normalizing items, non-interest income increased by $2.8 million primarily due to higher customer derivative activity, trust and asset management earnings, and elevated loan fees. My expectation is that fourth-quarter normalized non-interest income will be between $42 million and $43 million. Non-interest expense was $112.4 million compared to $110.8 million during the prior quarter. Included in non-interest expense this quarter was a severance-related charge of $2.1 million, the linked quarter included a severance charge of $1.4 million. Excluding the impact of these items, non-interest expense increased by $900,000 compared to the prior quarter. This change was primarily due to one additional payday during the quarter.

Compared to my previous forecast, actual normalized non-interest expense was higher than expected, due to additional incentives that were recorded during the period. I expect that our fourth-quarter normalized non-interest expense to be approximately $109 million. Included within my fourth-quarter forecast for both non-interest income and non-interest expense is the impact from the sale of our merchant services business which closed earlier this month. The sale resulted in a gain of approximately $18 million that was substantially offset by a repositioning of our AFS securities portfolio. The repositioning will increase our quarterly NII by approximately $1.7 million and encompass the sale of $200 million of low-yielding securities that were replaced with new securities at higher current rates.

The spread improvement on these newly acquired securities was approximately 335 basis points. The sale of the merchant services business is also expected to decrease our quarterly non-interest income and non-interest expense by approximately $3 million and $2.2 million respectively. Combining the impact from the Merchant Services sale along with the securities repositioning, the total quarterly improvement to pretax earnings will be approximately $1 million or $0.02 per share. During the quarter, we also recorded a provision for credit losses of $2.5 million down from $3.3 million during the linked quarter. Further, we reported a provision for taxes of $14.4 million during the quarter, resulting in an effective tax rate of 21.3%.

I expect the tax rate for the full year to be between 21 and 21.5%. Our capital ratios remained above the well-capitalized regulatory thresholds during the quarter with Tier one capital and total risk-based capital improving to 14.3% and 15.4%, respectively. And consistent with the linked quarter, we paid dividends of $28 million on our common stock and $5.3 million on our preferreds. We did not repurchase any common shares during the quarter, under our repurchase program. As a reminder, $126 million remains available under the current plan. And finally, our Board declared a dividend of $0.70 per common share that will be paid during 2025. Now I'll turn the call back over to Peter.

Peter Ho: Thanks, Brad. This concludes our prepared remarks. And we'd be happy to entertain whatever questions you might have.

Operator: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. If your question has been answered and wish to move yourself from the queue, please press 11 again. First question comes from Matthew Clark with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Matthew Clark: Hey. Good morning. Good morning. I heard the spot rate on CDs at the September, you have the spot rate on total deposits, either interest-bearing or total?

Bradley S. Satenberg: Total is 154 basis points.

Matthew Clark: Okay. Thank you. And then as maybe for Peter. As we as we look out on the NIM, you know, when do you think you might be able to get to that 3% NIM? Do you feel it seems like it may have moved up a little bit based on a couple of actions you've taken this quarter, but just trying to get a sense for some line of sight on when we think we can get there.

Peter Ho: Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of the question of the day, isn't it? So I think what we've been fixating on and what investors have been questioning is can we achieve 2.50 by year-end? At this point, that seems to be like a reasonably likely potential for Q4. And then as we move into '26, what we would anticipate I mean, the fixed asset accretion is just gonna continue on for a number of years, frankly.

And so the way to think about it is I think a base layer assuming deposit remix of about what we've experienced the past, couple of quarters and kind of rates in the yield curve as is, that's about a 25 basis point pickup in NIM per year. So 25 bps. And then on top of that, as Brad alluded to, there's opportunity for improvement in the NIM as fed funds comes down. And frankly, I think we still probably have you know, some opportunity in repricing of the overall deposit book moving forward.

So I guess the answer to me is 25 basis points per year and then I think there's upside in both fed funds coming down well as just overall pricing to the to the overall deposit book.

Matthew Clark: Okay. Great. It's helpful. And just last one for me on the modest loan growth here, a little bit of nice little turnaround the positive. Just any commentary on the pipeline and the outlook for growth here in the fourth quarter and maybe next year without low single digits is still the right way to think about

Peter Ho: Yeah. I think low single digits is still the right way to think about it. Our continue to improve. And, you know, Q3 was definitely better than Q2. I think Q4 should be better than Q3, and we'll just continue to watch the pipelines as we get into the new year. But I think that guidance holds, and I think if we get a little more clarity in the economy, maybe a little bit more stability some rate reduction, we may see some potential upside there too.

Matthew Clark: Okay. Thank you.

Operator: One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Kelly Motta with KBW. Your line is open.

Kelly Motta: Hey, good morning. Thanks for the question. Maybe, Peter, kicking off with some of the changes you made on the Wells side. Wondering, was this made last quarter and just kind of how you're thinking about, it seems like a great opportunity to leverage the Bank of Hawaii brand. So wondering how you're thinking of that progressing. Any efforts to add talent to the to the bench help drive that? Just how you're thinking about it as a lever moving forward. Thank you.

Peter Ho: Yeah. Good question, Kelly. So we actually are in production with Saterra at this point. They've been a great partner so far. We are soon to be concluded on, you know, quote, the repapering process. So that's gone quite smoothly. Obviously, that's taken some production capability out of the hands of our advisers as they just tend to the administrative function there. So I think we're we're set to move smartly forward from that point on.

And that opportunity, I think, is a great one both the standpoint of providing just a much, much better client experience to our customers but also in terms of really attracting you know, best in marketplace advisers because when you combine the capabilities that we now have with Saterra to our you know, the brand position the bank enjoys, in the islands. There's a lot of opportunity in there that we are looking forward to. So that's kind of half the equation. The other half of the equation is within our high net worth space. And they're really what we're focused on is really driving a better partnership, if you will, between our commercial bankers and our wealth advisers.

We've seen some early signs of green shoots there. And then to your question, and I think it's the appropriate one, against that backdrop, we have been adding a good amount of talent really in the advisory space. And we would intend to see that commitment to talent build continue on the next year or so, I'd say.

Kelly Motta: Great. Thanks for all the color. Another somewhat high-level question I have here, on slide six, what really stands out is how well, Bank of Hawaii has been picking up share. The past several years. Do you can you provide any color as to what parts of the business have been driving that? Is that retail? Any you know, specific set segments, commercial? Just trying to get a sense of what has been the most impactful in gaining share here on the island.

Peter Ho: Yeah. I think that the, the gratifying part to the question is it's really been pretty balanced. And so we've been able to pick up consumer as well as commercial as well as municipal share over the years. And I really I don't think that there's a single silver bullet here. I think it's really just our commitment to the marketplace and our consistent application of the strategy that's been working for us for past couple of decades now.

Kelly Motta: Got it. Thanks for the color. Last question from me is just on capital. Ratios continue to build. It sounds like growth is picking up but still more in the low single-digit range. Any updated thoughts on buybacks when capital return? Thank you.

Peter Ho: Yeah. I think, you know, we are happy with our capital levels. I mean, you know, you can always pick up here or there. But I think given where the stocks at right now, we think that there's a great opportunity to deploy capital into repurchases at this point. We probably are likely to be doing some of that activity here in this quarter and into next year. Obviously, the dividend is important to us, but we think the payout ratio for is in pretty good shape. And, hopefully, we'll be able to deploy some of the capital into growth as we move forward.

Kelly Motta: Awesome. For all the time today. I'll step back.

Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Jeffrey Allen Rulis with DA Davidson. Your line is open.

Jeffrey Allen Rulis: Thanks. Good morning. Circling back to the growth outlook, sounds like that's picking up a little bit, upward trending. And just Slide 12 sort of outlines some of the derisking activities or some of the noncore has that been a part of the function of some muted growth in maybe '25 or in the rearview and maybe having done some of that is that helping the net growth equation? Just want to feel if the undertow of derisking is kind of I mean, you're always managing credit, but has that been outsized in the trailing months?

Peter Ho: No, Jeff. It's a good question. I think for the most part, derisking has not been a headwind for us for a while now, I guess I guess the positive to that is I don't see anything or any activity in our current portfolios that would lead me to believe that it should be, you know, that it's gonna be an impediment to growth moving forward either. So it's kinda it kinda is what it is for right now. We're we're happy with the portfolios.

Jeffrey Allen Rulis: Got it. Okay. So just kinda pointing out areas that you that are core and noncore, but from a growth perspective has not been much of a past and future I guess, component. Fair enough. Enough. On the if I hop to expenses, I wanna think about I appreciate the core January. If we rolled a 26 a lot of discussion of the wealth management investment. It had been in the 2% to 3% growth for twenty five. Can we think about that in 2026 at similar levels as wealth maybe put that to the upside of that range or anything else coming on if we can think about '26 growth rates?

Peter Ho: Yeah. Let me let me punt that to Bradley S. Satenberg.

Bradley S. Satenberg: Yeah. Thanks, Jeff. That's a good question. I would say if you're trying to model out, I would expect, 2026 expenses to be, you know, in the March to be slightly higher because of the payroll, the seasonal payroll charges that we have. But overall, I think, you know, we've projected this year 2% to 3%. I think the projection this year is going to be 3% to 4%, but probably closer to like the lower threes. Think 3.5.

Jeffrey Allen Rulis: Okay. Great. Thanks.

Bradley S. Satenberg: Yep. Take care.

Operator: One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Jared Shaw with Barclays. Your line is open.

Jared Shaw: Hey, everybody. Good morning.

Peter Ho: Morning.

Jared Shaw: On the on the credit side, office, it looked like Central Business District moved from 17 or 217% loans from 24 with was there a payoff there, or what was driving the, the reduction in CBD office?

Peter Ho: Yeah. We had what I would say as a relationship, SNC credit, that was in the office space that we had the opportunity to exit, and we chose to exit that facility. It was a reasonable risk, but not core to what we were looking to do in that space. So opportunistic.

Jared Shaw: Okay. Alright. Thanks. And then, does the NII impact from swaps on the side, does that assume the notional swaps remain at the $1.4 billion or does that take into account some of that additional I guess, it may take into account the additional growth you talked about.

Bradley S. Satenberg: Can you just repeat your question there? Wasn't exactly sure what you're asking.

Jared Shaw: Sure. Does the impact to net interest income from the swaps that you list out, does that assume the notional swaps remain at $1.4 billion? Or if not, what are the, what are the changes to that?

Bradley S. Satenberg: Yeah. No. We expect it to remain at 1.4. I mean, obviously, we have our forward starting swaps. So I think I had mentioned in my script we had $100 million notional swap start in October, and then we've got the remaining 500 'll start in, you know, 2026, kinda mid to late twenty six. But at this point, all of our expectations are 1.4 notional plus some roll off in 2027 of the 1.4, but also rolling on our forward starting swaps.

Jared Shaw: Okay. Thank you.

Operator: And I'm not showing any further at time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Chang Park for any further remarks.

Chang Park: Thank you, everyone, for joining us today and your for your continued interest in Bank of Hawaii. As always, please feel free to reach out to me if you have any additional questions.

Operator: Thank you. Well, ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's presentation. You may now disconnect, and have a wonderful day.

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