Primis Financial (FRST) Earnings Call Transcript

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DATE

Friday, January 30, 2026 at 10 a.m. ET

CALL PARTICIPANTS

• President and Chief Executive Officer — Dennis J. Zember
• Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer — Matthew Alan Switzer

TAKEAWAYS

• Reported Net Income -- $29.5 million, or $1.20 per share, driven by a gain from a sale leaseback transaction and related restructuring activity.
• Run Rate Earnings -- Management outlined approximately $8 million in ongoing quarterly pre-restructuring earnings, equal to an 80 basis point ROA on roughly $4 billion in average assets, reflecting seasonally slow mortgage results with little benefit from the restructuring.
• Net Interest Margin -- Rose to 3.28% from 2.90% for the same period last year; management noted this margin could have been higher by 11 basis points if the restructuring and debt redemption had affected the full quarter.
• Checking Account Growth -- Grew by over 23% in the year, representing more than $116 million in balances, with management stating this places the bank "in the top 10 banks nationwide on checking account growth" on a percentage basis.
• Noninterest-Bearing Deposits Mix -- Increased to 16.3% of total deposits at year-end, from 12%-13% in mid-2024, reaching $554 million compared to $439 million at the prior year-end.
• Loan Portfolio Expansion -- Core bank closed about $75 million in new commercial loans in December along with approximately $90 million in related deposits; gross loans would have increased 17% annualized in the quarter when adjusting for loan sales.
• Digital Deposits -- $903 million at year-end, down less than 10% from previous year, retained 90% of balances across significant rate changes, with over 20,000 customers, 15% of whom are in the core footprint.
• Warehouse Lending Growth -- Warehouse averaged $175 million in outstandings, with expectations to average $500 million in 2026, delivering over a 2% ROA; management expects seasonality to drive balances above $600 million mid-year before moderating.
• Primis Mortgage Production -- Closed loan volume soared to $1.2 billion, a 50% increase over 2024, with Q4 pretax income of $1.4 million—$1.8 million higher than prior-year Q4.
• Noninterest Income -- $14.2 million excluding sale-related items, compared to $12 million in the previous quarter; mortgage revenue reached $10 million in the fourth quarter.
• Operating Expenses -- Core noninterest expense normalized at approximately $21 million for the quarter, with management guiding to a $23 million–$24 million quarterly range in 2026, excluding mortgage and Panacea volatility.
• Provision for Credit Losses -- $2.4 million in the quarter, with $1 million attributable to specific reserving on impaired loans and $600,000 to consumer portfolio activity.
• 2026 Financial Targets -- Management reaffirmed a goal of a 1% ROA for 2026, noting that seasonal slowness in mortgage may keep Q1 below the full-year target but expects the bank to reach or exceed 1% ROA for the year.

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RISKS

• Chief Executive Officer Zember stated, "There's virtually no pressure anywhere in our company for OpEx growth," but also noted operating expense discipline is critical for achieving the targeted 1% ROA, indicating potential bottom-line vulnerability if cost controls weaken.
• Management described $40 million in loans moved to special mention, acknowledging modifications and less favorable collateral on certain exposures, though "we don't see substandard on these, and we definitely don't see big impairments or losses."

SUMMARY

Primis Financial Corp. (NASDAQ:FRST) reported significant year-end revenue expansion driven by widened net interest margin, core deposit growth, and outsized gains from strategic asset sales. Management synthesized restructuring benefits, enhanced cost discipline, and strong loan origination efforts to project a clear path to a 1% ROA for 2026. Accretive segments including warehouse lending and mortgage operations demonstrated substantial momentum, while expense control and deposit mix improvements supported the company’s positive full-year outlook.

• Chief Financial Officer Switzer highlighted, "average earning assets increased 13% annualized in the fourth quarter," outpacing deposit growth.
• Management expects the full effect of the investment security restructuring and debt redemption to further bolster net interest margin in 2026.
• Chief Executive Officer Zember reported nearly 6,000 new customer acquisitions in the year, up from roughly 1,000 at the start of his tenure, with customer balances historically doubling within three years of account opening.
• Management anticipates further margin expansion as $331 million of loans reprice in 2026, with yields below 5% expected to move higher.
• Switzer said, "Our conservative estimate for our quarterly core expense range next year, adjusted for mortgage and Panacea, is $23 to $24 million in 2026, inclusive of the $1.5 million of quarterly lease expense that we've incurred with the sale leaseback transaction."
• Deposit cost discipline remains a focus, with fourth quarter cost of total deposits down to 2.26% and core bank cost at 1.59%.
• Recruitment of new mortgage production teams is continuing, but future additions are expected to be incremental and lower cost.

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

• Sale Leaseback: A transaction in which the company sells an owned property and simultaneously leases it back, freeing up capital while retaining operational control of the asset.
• Warehouse Lending: Short-term funding provided to mortgage originators to fund loans until they are sold into the secondary market.
• Special Mention: A regulatory loan classification for credits exhibiting potential weakness that warrant close attention, but not severe enough to be categorized as substandard.
• Panacea: Name used in the transcript referring to a specific loan portfolio or business division at Primis Financial Corp., with material volume and growth in the quarter.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Dennis J. Zember: Thank you, Matt. And thank you to all of you that have joined our fourth quarter 2025 conference call. We're very pleased to be reporting our 2025 results today and really excited about what 2026 is going to look like. For the quarter, we're reporting earnings of $29.5 million or $1.2 per share, which works out to almost a 3% ROA. I tell people all the time that your best result ever isn't good enough tomorrow. And that you have to strive to keep reaching higher, which may have trashed me.

But, obviously, in the quarter, we had just this gain from the sale leaseback and quite a bit of related noise from the restructure and some other items that we were afforded because of the outside gain. The most important thing you can take away from this call is this. In 2025, Matt and I are showing our run rate earnings at about $8 million, which works out to about an 80 basis point ROA on about $4 billion of average assets. That reflects virtually no improvement from the restructure that we announced. And it includes a seasonally slow quarter mortgage. So taken together, going into 2026, we see substantial momentum and a lot of opportunity to hit our goals.

I want to talk about some of the real notable improvements this year. When you look at the fourth quarter or you look at December 31 of any year versus the prior year, you know, what do you notice? For us, we noticed that our margin increased from 2.90% in the fourth quarter of last year to 3.28% in the fourth quarter of this year. Excuse me. The restructure had virtually no impact on fourth quarter margins. And our press release showed that when it's fully implemented, it went at about 28 basis points.

Pushing this kind of margin in our company to a place where 3.5% margins are in range is very impressive against our peer group and our region. And our core bank has led the drive. Next, we grew checking accounts, which has been a big focus of the bank. We grew checking accounts by over 23% during the year. Talk a little more about this. But from a percentage basis, we have to be in the top 10 banks nationwide on checking account growth. We achieved this by leveraging our proprietary delivery app in our market and abroad. We grew our C&I portfolio substantially and saw the normal deposit balances you would expect from this effort show up.

We benefited from our warehouse division's effort selling our treasury services to their clients. We improved our noninterest-bearing deposits to total deposits from 12%, 13% in mid-2024 to 16.3% at 12/31/25. We've been even higher than that early this year. Most importantly, we continue to fund nearly every dollar of earning asset growth with transaction accounts, not retail or bankruptcy need or wholesale borrowings. Lastly, we rebuilt our earning assets just like we said we would after the life premium sale. With balances from the core bank and our lending divisions, and we did it with much more yield and scale than we had in life premium.

For the year, we grew earning assets by $325 million with a larger growth in the loan side. We held our yield steady compared to 2024 with loans only dropping 10 basis points despite the fall in short-term rates during the year.

Where are all these successes coming from? And, you know, why are we confident that there's more to come here? Our core bank has led the way this year in almost all of the areas, particularly on deposit growth and driving success with cost of funds. For the year, I'm showing that we grew checking accounts by about $116 million. This is about 23%, as I stated earlier. On the loan side, our focus has been on C&I, and under occupied as it you know, for as long as we can remember. And as we finished the year, we saw a real flurry of closed loan closings and sales success that are gonna carry over into 2026.

In December alone, the core bank closed about $75 million of new commercial loans with about $90 million of related deposits. Importantly, the incremental margins on this business are almost 4% with no incremental operating resources or new staff. So we achieved the operating leverage that Matt and I have been talking about and that has been the drive of our 2025 improvement. In the fourth quarter, we rolled the digital up under the core bank's reporting arm. So now everything, basically, the bank customer reports to Rick. We finished 2025 with $903 million in digital deposits, which is down maybe less than 10% from where we were a year ago.

Despite the fact that the range is down 115 basis points. We have over 20,000 customers on this platform, about 15% of those in our core footprint. Because of the success of this platform, there is not a single ounce of pressure on our core bank deposit goals, production efforts, or pricing, which is reflected in their remarkably low cost of deposits. Through the year, and the changes in rates, we've maintained 90% of the balances, which is unquestionably a testament to our style of surprising the customer with a personal banker, 24/7 access to the bank, rapid turnaround with any question or concern, and near zero fraud. In short, we engineered a community-style banking approach for these customers.

And when rates started falling, they rewarded us with their loyalty.

Think a key success or something that's all those are important items, but the thing that's really driving the bottom line improvement or the ROA improvement is operating leverage. As for maybe two years, we have controlled and reworked our operating expense base. We've invested only in production and revenue per and we've leveraged our back office resources on the growth. Every moment of turnover or attrition on our administrative functions has been an opportunity to improve talent and drive more leverage, and we've not really missed any opportunity. Matt provides the table in the press release that shows our operating expense burden, and it obviously includes some of the noise from the restructure and some other items.

But on a go-forward basis, we reconcile right back around $22 million or so. So we believe we can hold this. I think maybe we've been saying this for four, five quarters, but we think we can hold this line for several more quarters and allow a reliable trend on revenue to keep improving results.

Another success, another area where we believe the success is gonna continue is on the mortgage side. Or where we face the mortgage industry with warehouse and retail. They're obviously separate lines of business, but in our company, they both work together and drive results in a markedly different fashion than what you see in most community banks. It's all quite a bit about warehouse this year and about those results are impacting our results. But the fact is warehouse only averaged $175 million of outstandings for the year. That's not even half of the assets we sold with Life Premium Finance. And only about 35% of what we think 2026 could average.

Our margins in the business are accretive to our overall levels, and our run rate efficiency ratio here is in the mid-twenty. Which is going to be noticeable on our consolidated ratios when we rescale. At Primis Mortgage, we saw closed loans increase to approximately $1.2 billion, a 50% increase over 2024. But more importantly, we closed $143 million with great profitability. And on a pretax basis, Primis Mortgage earned $1.4 million in the fourth quarter. Which is about $1.8 million higher than 2024.

Before I give it back to Matt, let me say what is special about Primis. Know, about what we're managing in. Obviously, I could soak up a lot on this call, on this topic. But I think the important thing for our investors to know is that we've rebuilt a core bank into one that is leading on deposit successes and growing. We're not just milking a branch infrastructure from two decades ago. We're growing the core bank with good deposits, good core deposits, and improving our mix. We've built integrated lines of businesses that have substantial scale. Every single one of our lines of business, Phil, that's pumping the brakes, every month.

To not outrun our resources or our capital or become our whole story. The growth part of our story is baked. It's fully built, requires very limited resources to continue growing. When you combine that with a strong and leading community bank, we have strategic options that many banks in our region do not have. We've had a lot of noise in our past. I'm not gonna pretend that we did. But there's no doubt in my mind that every quarter of reliable ROA growth intangible book value that we can post, that noise subsides and our multiples, I believe, will return and reward the shareholders for our hard work.

Matthew Alan Switzer: Thirty to December thirty-first. Including the Panacea loans sold in the fourth quarter, gross loans would have increased approximately 17% annualized, led by growth in Panacea and Mortgage Warehouse. Importantly, average earning assets increased 13% annualized in the fourth quarter with a slightly slower growth rate versus period-end growth adjusted for the loan sale due to substantial loan closing activity that took place at the end of the quarter. Deposits were up 10% annualized in the quarter also due to strong production late in the fourth quarter. Even more impressive, as Dennis mentioned, noninterest-bearing deposits ended the year at $554 million or 16% of total deposits versus $439 million or 14% at the end of 2024.

Net interest income was approximately $31 million, a substantial improvement from $26 million in the year-ago period. Our net interest margin in the fourth quarter was 3.28%, up from a reported 3.18% last quarter and 2.9% in the year-ago period. We have expectations for further margin expansion as we progress through 2026. Our previously announced investment portfolio restructuring only benefited half of December, and we will complete the redemption of $27 million of subordinated debt at the end of this month. If both those transactions had been in place for all fourth quarter, the net interest margin would have been approximately 11 basis points higher.

Earning asset growth rate in the fourth quarter was accretive to margin, as is our current loan pipeline. We also have approximately $331 million of loans repricing predominantly in 2026, with a weighted average yield just under 5% that will add to loan yields. Lastly, we have $40 million of deposits with a contractual rate leaving in January with a cost almost 80 basis points higher than wholesale funding. The core bank cost of deposits remains very attractive, at 159 basis points for the quarter, down 14 basis points from the third quarter. Cost of total deposits was 226 basis points in the fourth quarter, down 20 basis points linked quarter.

Our focus on growing NIB deposits is a key part of our strategy to continue driving funding costs lower from here. Our provision this quarter was $2.4 million, partially driven by growth in the loan portfolio described above. Approximately $1 million of the provision was due to specific reserving at year-end for impaired loans, while another $600,000 was tied to activity in the consumer portfolio. Noninterest income, excluding the gains and losses from the sale leaseback transaction and investment portfolio restructuring, was $14.2 million for the quarter versus $12 million in the third quarter. Mortgage revenue was solid in Q4 at $10 million versus $8.9 million in Q3, with Q4 seasonal slowness offset by the production from new hires.

Year-over-year retail mortgage production was 84% higher in 2025 versus 2024, showing momentum for a strong 2026. Including net production was $32 million of attractive construction to permanent loan production in the quarter, up from $26 million last quarter and an immaterial amount in 2024. On the expense side, when you exclude mortgage and Panacea division volatility and nonrecurring items, our core expenses were $28 million versus $22 million in the third quarter. The strong performance in the year resulted in higher compensation accruals, particularly restricted stock expense, which totaled $4.5 million in the fourth quarter.

There are a handful of other items described in the earnings release that are one-time in nature but don't rise to the definition of nonrecurring for reporting purposes and totaled another approximately $1.8 million, including one month of lease expense. Not highlighted in the press release because of the small nature, there's roughly another $3 to $400,000 of cleanup expenses in the quarter that will moderate next quarter. Normalizing for all of these items, core noninterest expense on a comparable basis was approximately $21 million, putting us only slightly higher than our run rate for the past year.

Our conservative estimate for our quarterly core expense range next year, adjusted for mortgage and Panacea, is $23 to $24 million in 2026, inclusive of the $1.5 million of quarterly lease expense that we've incurred with the sale leaseback transaction, and we're pushing hard to be at the bottom up or below that range. In summary, the sale leaseback transaction in the fourth quarter was timely and allowed us to reposition a number of areas to enter 2026 with a lot of momentum. We have the capital to achieve our goals and fundamentals in place to hit our 1% ROA goal this year, and we are confident we will do so.

With that, operator, we can open the line for Q&A.

Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session.

Russell Elliott Gunther: If you would like to ask a question, please press 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press 1 again. Your first question comes from the line of Russell Gunther from Stephens. Your line is open.

Nicholas Thomas Lorenzoni: Hey, good morning, guys. This is Nick stepping in for Russell.

Matthew Alan Switzer: Hi, Nick.

Nicholas Thomas Lorenzoni: Hey. So starting on the loan side, you saw average warehouse balance is showing a nice growth of 812% year over year, and given that $1.23 billion in existing commitments plus the seasonality of the business, where do you see those balances ending in 2026?

Matthew Alan Switzer: I think we're anticipating mortgage warehouse to average $500 million across the year. Now it's seasonal, so that might be an average of $400 million or so in the first quarter. But we'll probably peak well over $600 million over the summer and then come back down in the fourth quarter. So the fourth quarter may be, call it, $100 million higher or so than the fourth quarter of this year. Maybe a little bit more. But for the whole year, it'll be, call it, $200 to $250 million higher than the fourth quarter because of the seasonality. That makes sense?

Nicholas Thomas Lorenzoni: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And you're relating to the last one. What I think what's important is, I mean, that business for us is doing comfortably over a 2% ROA. Let's just say that number, I mean, for this year, it was a $175 million average. Business, I'll call it $3.5 million, you know, net income. I mean, I don't think scaling getting to $500 million is only gonna improve that number. And so you sorta can see the pickup bottom line wise from scaling this from $175 million average for the year to $500 million next year. Or, excuse me, this year.

Nicholas Thomas Lorenzoni: Okay. That makes sense. And related to all of that, how should we think about overall loan growth in '26?

Matthew Alan Switzer: We're shooting for in the core bank, the core bank probably somewhere in the $100 million or so. That'd, you know, call it 5, 6, 7%. Again, we're not going to be doing investor CRE. That's just not our focus. So we're looking for C&I and under occupied. Panacea, again, Panacea and Warehouse, I mean, if we let them out of the ring fence, it would get away from us. But I think Panacea, I think Matt's modeling about $150 million for them. And, you know, if you look at, again, really more on an average basis, I think, warehouse is probably, call it, $250 million more. Maybe $200 million more from where we finished the year.

Nicholas Thomas Lorenzoni: Okay. And just switching to expenses real quick. You guided 2026 quarterly to a range of $23 to $24 million, it looks like. How should we think about expense sensitivity as mortgage banking and the fee income side improves? Or, I mean, better said, what impact on expenses should we anticipate in relation to mortgage banking?

Matthew Alan Switzer: Yeah. So that $23 to $24 million is excluding mortgage. Right? Because the mortgage is gonna be volatile and scale with the revenue side. So it's just easier to think of mortgage on a pretax contribution basis. Okay. And assume they're gonna please. This assume whatever your revenue assumption is for mortgage, assume that they're gonna earn, call it, 50 to 60 basis points pretax, and then you get back into the expense from there. This year, we did about a billion 2 of loan closings. We probably, I mean, fully loaded, we were probably high thirties basis points on pretax bottom line there on loan closings. We say next year, we're gonna see 40, 50% improvement in loan closings.

And even a better improvement in the bottom line. I think we're modeling somewhere between fifty and sixty basis points of pretax on those loan closings.

Nicholas Thomas Lorenzoni: To your point, Nick, it does scale tremendously as you get sort of above a billion 5 because, really, we're still recruiting, call it, $50, $60, $70 million a year producers. But when you're bringing those on and it's a 10% growth in production, you can sort of feel it. When you're already at $2 billion, it's just not noticeable.

Nicholas Thomas Lorenzoni: Okay. That's good to know. And last thing, talking about the ROA, what is your target sustainable ROA for the full year 2026?

Matthew Alan Switzer: Mean, our bogey is still, for the full year, a 1% ROA. And we may be below that in the first quarter because the first quarter is seasonally slower, particularly for mortgage and mortgage warehouse. But we'll be above that in the second half of the year. Would put us in that range for the full year.

Nicholas Thomas Lorenzoni: Got it. That's it on my end. Thanks for taking my questions.

Matthew Alan Switzer: Thanks, Nick.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Christopher William Marinac from Janney Montgomery Scott. Your line is open.

Christopher William Marinac: Hey, good morning, and thanks for all the detail both on the call as well as on the disclosures yesterday. Just wanted to go back to the noise that may be on top of the $23, $24 million quarterly expense, is some of that noise still going to be with us this first half of the year? Or think a lot of it's behind us?

Matthew Alan Switzer: I think the best majority of it is behind us. We may have a little bit in the first quarter, but should not be anywhere near as significant as the fourth quarter.

Christopher William Marinac: Got it. And then part of getting back to the 1% ROA is gonna be a higher margin, right? I mean, expenses make a big difference to get you from the core 80 to 100. But how big of a piece is the margin?

Matthew Alan Switzer: No. You got a question. I mean, that's part of it, but, I mean, there's we got margin expansion on the existing balance sheet plus healthy margins on the growth agenda. Dennis just outlined that we're expecting for the year. And the incremental some significant portions of that growth come with much higher incremental ROAs. For example, Orange Warehouse, which is gonna be a big portion of the growth and have very wide ROAs relative to the consolidated. On the existing balance sheet, we, you know, we had a 3.28% margin in the fourth quarter. Call it high threes if you adjust for paying off debt.

Which will have two quarters of that in the run rate in the first quarter plus the full quarter of the securities portfolio restructuring. I mean, we should be hopefully in the mid-three fours in the first quarter. If not a little bit better than that. And call it, push it three and a half as we get through the year. So some of that is margin-related, but a lot of it's just holding expenses.

Dennis J. Zember: Okay. And, Chris, I'd say sort of adding to what Matt said. I mean, there's I'll start on the bottom side. There's virtually no pressure anywhere in our company for OpEx growth. And, you know, to the degree there is, it's a new producer or a new revenue or revenue-related opportunity. But outside of that, there's just no pressure for that. There's also virtually nothing that we're doing on the earning asset side or the growth side that's dilutive to our current margin. So when you look at where we were a year ago at $2.90, versus where we probably are gonna be somewhere closer to three and a half, you know, midyear.

The math there is just very accretive to getting us to the 1% ROA. And over the 1% ROA. We're not trying to be conservative. We definitely see a pathway into getting to 1% and it being sustainable. And a lot of it is a much more improved margin absolutely sort of set in stone operating expense discipline.

Matthew Alan Switzer: So the other thing I would add, Chris, mortgage will be a much for the full year much higher contributor in '26 than '25. Partly because of the growth we're expecting in production. Which does not assume, like, some big refi boom or whatnot. It's that's driven by teams that we hired in '25. And recall in the first half of the year, mortgage was not a contributor, particularly in the second quarter because of expenses related to those hires, and that was about, call it, a million and a half. Of impact at least. That don't have any of that in our expectations for 2026. So mortgage, retail activity, contributed maybe a couple million dollars pretax in '25.

Because of expenses and build-out and whatnot. It's gonna be multiples of that in '26, which is also accretive to ROA.

Christopher William Marinac: Got it. Thanks for all that. And I guess just to follow-up on it, on deposits is, Dennis, talked about the deposit account growth that's been in place for a while. Do you see those same accounts funding more? Or do you see deposit growth coming because you continue to build accounts, just that? Just curious kind of how you look at balances versus accounts.

Dennis J. Zember: We look at both. It's interesting you'd ask that. We do measure one of the things we measure around here is new customers. So that's not new accounts. So new accounts to existing customers, we don't count. We look only at new customers, new people to the bank, whether it's EINs or Social Security. And last year, it was almost 6,000 new customers to the bank. The first year I got here, we barely cracked a thousand. So the sales efforts are definitely attracting new customers. And interestingly, what you said, the balance is three years after you acquire the customer are almost double what they were in the first year.

So I mean, I can't scientifically guarantee that what we did this year on checking account growth is going to be double in three years. But I can tell you if you go back two or three years, four years, five years, and you look at what those customers have done here, unquestionably, the balance has grown to about double. Now just like every bank, we have attrition. So you do have to grow $100 million of new customers to be able to come on the call, Chris, and tell you that we grew $50 million. Just that happens. But new customer acquisition is key.

What I will tell you is, I mean, every investor and analyst on the call knows this. When you're growing the bank, when you're not focused on investors, CRE, you're growing the bank with C&I or owner-occupied or treasury-related sales when you're focused only on deposit. Those are absolutely relationship core. And after you've got them on the books, they 100% turn into a center of influence. And most everything we did, and I was talking about the fourth quarter, December, really, and the growth. Almost every one of those were a referral from an existing customer.

And so, I mean, again, I wish I could, you know, I wish I had the foresight to say or the I wish I was a prophet could say all of this is gonna turn into that. I can't. But I do know that what we did in the fourth quarter is, number one, a good sign that the sales culture is working. And number two, it gives us a big platform springboard to drive more results in the coming year.

Christopher William Marinac: Got it. That's great. Thanks for that, Dennis. And just another question on the mortgage business. Do you think you'll still have more production hires there? Or do you have a team in place that you want at this in terms of headcount?

Dennis J. Zember: We're definitely going to have more hires. But it won't come with the large upfront expenses. It'll be more incremental than the two large teams we had last year. Yeah. We hired $2.2 billion a year producers last year. There was some cost for onboarding them. No question about it. The folks we're recruiting now, Chris, back to what I said, they're probably $30 to $50 million to $70 million producers recruiting them smart. We're not trying to do all of them in one order. But you know, recruiting those two big teams really just keeps paying dividends, and people, you know, the more success we have here, honestly, the more our phone is ringing.

I will tell you, we're a $4 billion bank. We probably need mortgage to be, call it, $2.5 to $3 billion. I think at $2.5 billion, we're not too concentrated in mortgage. At that point, we probably sort of need to marry growth in mortgage along with growth in the core bank so that we're not a mortgage company. We're still a bank with a mortgage company.

Christopher William Marinac: Got it. Okay. And then last question, on the one loan or loans that had an increase on special mention, do you see any of those graduating to substandard, or would you see that those go back to pass at some point?

Dennis J. Zember: The specific impairment that you're referring to?

Christopher William Marinac: Yeah. Just the $40 million that went up from September to December.

Dennis J. Zember: Special. Oh, the special mention. I'm sorry. Think there's a list. I'm I don't what Probably, I think one of them is an office CRE deal that's got very strong cash flows. Got very strong cash flows. An investor that investing in the property. We downgraded it because we did a modification. So I think we're probably gonna leave it special mention. There's we got good LTVs. Very strong debt coverage. It's probably gonna sit in special mention. We've not had a payment problem. But because of that modification, we're probably gonna leave it there. The other one's got extraordinarily strong guarantor with a lot of liquidity, a piece of collateral that we're not very delighted with maybe.

It's probably gonna be there for a little while too. But given the strength of the borrower and his liquidity position, I don't think it's going to substandard. Is that a with one piece as an assisted living that they had an issue with their tenant, but they're working through that, and the guarantor is supporting it. So assuming they get the tenant sorted out, they can be fine. They're probably be in a position to upgrade that back in the next couple of quarters. One of them is in the process of being recapped. And at that point, we would actually be paid off, which would be a nice chunk of that. Yeah.

But it also has a very strong pullover behind it. So we don't see substandard on these, and we definitely don't see big impairments or losses.

Christopher William Marinac: Okay. Great. That's good color. Thank you for sharing all that, and thanks for taking all of our questions.

Dennis J. Zember: You bet.

Operator: And that concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Dennis Zember for closing remarks.

Dennis J. Zember: Thank you again for joining our call. Thank you for your interest in our company and staying with us through 2025. We look forward to what 2026 will bring, and Matt and I are available for any questions or comments after this if you want to give us a ring. Thanks, and have a safe weekend.

Operator: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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