National Grid (NGG) Q2 2026 Earnings Transcript

Image source: The Motley Fool.

Date

Nov. 6, 2025 at 12 a.m. ET

Call participants

Chief Executive Officer — Zoe Yujnovich

Chief Executive Officer — John Pettigrew

Chief Financial Officer — Andrew Agg

Need a quote from a Motley Fool analyst? Email pr@fool.com

Takeaways

Underlying operating profit -- Underlying operating profit reached GBP 2.3 billion for the first half, a 13% increase from the prior year, driven primarily by higher regulated revenues in U.K. electricity transmission and improved performance in U.S. regulated businesses, partially offset by the prior sale of the electricity system operator.

Underlying earnings per share (EPS) -- Underlying earnings per share were 29.8p for the first half of fiscal 2026 (period ended Sept. 30, 2025), representing a 6% increase, supported by strong group operating results despite higher finance costs and share dilution from the rights issue.

Capital investment -- Capital investment totaled GBP 5.1 billion in the first half, rising 12% year over year. This set a new group record, with the company on track to deploy over GBP 11 billion of capital investment this year, in line with guidance.

Record investment plan progress -- As of the first half of fiscal 2026, over three-fourths of the GBP 60 billion five-year investment plan is now supported by delivery mechanisms, with all Wave 1 ASTI projects under construction and major Wave 2 contracts secured or in final negotiations.

Interim dividend -- 16.35p per share declared, in line with dividend policy and equating to 35% of the prior full-year dividend.

Segmental capital investment highlights -- Electricity Distribution: GBP 756 million in capital investment in the first half, up 17% year over year; U.K. Electricity Transmission: GBP 1.7 billion, up 31% for the first half of fiscal 2026; New York: GBP 1.6 billion in capital investment in the first half, up 5% year over year; New England: GBP 958 million in capital investment in the first half, up 23% year over year; National Grid Ventures: GBP 69 million in capital investment in the first half, reduced due to divestitures.

Regulatory clarity -- Approximately 75% of the five-year investment plan is now approved through rate cases.

Synergy achievement -- Over GBP 100 million in cumulative synergy savings from the 2021 electricity distribution acquisition delivered six months ahead of target.

Reliability and safety -- U.K. and U.S. networks maintained high reliability, the group lost time injury frequency rate was 0.09, within target for the first half of fiscal 2026; NESO forecasts the U.K. winter electricity margin at around 10%, the highest since 2019.

Net debt -- Net debt increased by GBP 1.5 billion to GBP 41.8 billion, net of cash inflows and proceeds from asset sales for the first half of fiscal 2026; full-year net debt expected to rise by around GBP 1 billion from the half year.

Regulatory engagement -- Ongoing dialogue with Ofgem on RIIO-T3 aiming for a globally competitive return and streamlined funding mechanisms, with final determination expected in December.

Policy and market developments -- U.K. policy reforms support faster infrastructure delivery; U.S. regulatory approvals include PSC support for the NESE pipeline and updated New York State Energy Plan recognizing the gas network's role in reliability.

EPS guidance upgrade -- Andrew Agg stated, "Following strong performance over the first half of the year, we expect a modestly higher underlying EPS relative to our guidance in May."

Summary

National Grid (NYSE:NGG) reported a strong first half of fiscal 2026 (period ended Sept. 30, 2025), marked by double-digit increases in underlying operating profit and record capital investment, advancing its multi-year growth strategy. The company has secured the majority of supply chain and regulatory approvals for its extensive capital program, reducing execution risk across critical U.K. and U.S. infrastructure projects. U.S. regulatory bodies have approved a significant portion of National Grid's investment plans, aligning with evolving policy support for energy reliability, affordability, and balanced clean energy development. High visibility of demand growth from data center expansion and U.K. AI infrastructure initiatives underpins near-term network build-out targets. Group balance sheet metrics, including net debt and cash generation, reflect prudent management amid historically high levels of capital outlay and ongoing asset disposals.

John Pettigrew emphasized sustained engagement with Ofgem, noting the company's focus on achieving an "overall return needs to be comparable with what we'd see internationally" under the RIIO-T3 framework.

Full-year EPS growth guidance (underlying, excluding timing, U.K. deferred tax, and exceptional items) was upgraded, with impacts from currency and equity issuance "more than offset by improved operating performance in the regulated businesses and slightly lower financing costs," according to Chief Financial Officer Andrew Agg.

Synergy targets from the U.K. electricity distribution acquisition were exceeded, with GBP 100 million in savings delivered six months ahead of plan through operational and procurement efficiencies, achieving the cumulative three-year target by fiscal 2026.

Industry glossary

ASTI (Accelerated Strategic Transmission Investment): A large-scale capital investment initiative targeting rapid upgrades and expansion of the U.K. electricity transmission system to accommodate rising demand and renewable integration.

NESO (National Electricity System Operator): The entity responsible for balancing supply and demand, and overseeing the operational reliability of Great Britain's electricity transmission system.

Ofgem: The U.K. government regulator for electricity and gas markets, responsible for price control frameworks such as RIIO-T3 and RIIO-ED3.

RIIO-T3/RIIO-ED3: Successive price control frameworks set by Ofgem for U.K. electricity transmission (T3) and distribution (ED3), establishing allowed revenues and incentive structures for the regulated periods.

Totex: Total expenditure, combining capital and operational spend, used in regulatory frameworks to measure and fund utility investments.

PSC (Public Service Commission): Regulatory body overseeing electricity and gas utilities in individual U.S. states, such as New York, influencing permitted rates and capital investment approvals.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Zoe Yujnovich: Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. Today's results are an important moment for National Grid and for me personally, as I pick up the baton from John. I want to take a moment to recognize his remarkable contribution over a decade as CEO. The strong foundation he leaves behind are a testament to his leadership and the dedication of our National Grid team. Since joining as CEO Designate on the 1st of September, I've had the privilege of meeting with many colleagues and stakeholders. What stands out to me is the scale and ambition of what we're delivering, transforming our networks and investing at pace. Our GBP 60 billion capital investment is not just a number.

It's a commitment to future-proofing networks so we can meet the surge in demand we're seeing and ensure the millions of homes and businesses we serve have the reliable and clean energy they need at a price they can afford. As I step into my role in the coming days, my immediate focus will be on maintaining momentum, staying focused on performance and delivering safely and responsibly. I will approach this with a clear-eyed view of the challenges and exciting opportunities ahead. I believe in the vital function energy companies play in driving growth and prosperity.

I'm committed to ensuring National Grid plays its part with an unrelenting focus on operational excellence and capital discipline as we continue to deliver for our customers and create value for our shareholders. I look forward to meeting all of you in due course, but for now, I'll hand to John and Andy to take you through the results.

John Pettigrew: Thank you, Zoe. So turning to our half year results. As ever, I'm here with Andy Agg and once we've been through our respective presentations, we'll be happy to answer your questions. It's been a really positive first half as we've continued to build on our strong foundations to deliver excellent operational and financial performance. . The investments we're making in our networks have never been more important to ensure continued resilience, enable economic growth, deliver cleaner energy and meet growing power demand. And it's these drivers that underpin the strong visibility we have in our investment program, supported by our regulators.

This, in turn, gives me huge confidence in National Grid's ability to carry on delivering a compelling investment proposition with investment growth around 10% per annum and underlying earnings per share growth of 6% to 8%, whilst maintaining a strong balance sheet and delivering an inflation-protected dividend. Before I come to our performance, I want to highlight three key areas which reinforce my confidence in our ability to deliver on our plans. Firstly, the strong progress we've made in securing the supply chain to deliver record levels of investment.

As you know, a big focus over the last 2 years has been to secure the supply chain for our largest suite of major projects in the U.K., the accelerated strategic transmission investment or ASTI. Today, I'm pleased to say we're in a really strong position. All 6 of our Wave 1 projects are already under construction with work progressing well. Our GBP 9 billion Great Grid Partnership covering the delivery of the 8 onshore projects within Wave 2 is now up and running with our 7 strategic partners.

And we're making great progress with the remaining 3 Wave 2 offshore projects where we've completed the contracting for Sea Link and announced the preferred suppliers for Eagle 3 and 4 with contracts expected to be signed in the next few months. Once complete, we'll have secured the supply chain for all 17 ASTI projects, a significant achievement. And as a result, over 3/4 of our GBP 60 billion investment plan is now underpinned by delivery mechanisms enabling us to ramp up our capital delivery.

We've invested over GBP 5 billion in the first half, another record for the group, and we remain on track to deploy over GBP 11 billion of capital investment this year, in line with our guidance. The second area to highlight is the continued momentum we're seeing from both a regulatory and policy perspective. On the regulatory front, we've built on the strong foundations we set last year in the U.S. with around 75% of our 5-year investment plan approved within our rate cases. We've also seen some important policy developments. As you know, New York State announced last year that it's likely to miss its target of 70% renewable generation by 2030.

As a result, we've seen a shift in the last half towards an all-of-the-above approach when it comes to balancing clean energy goals with affordability and reliability. For example, in September, following submission of our long-term gas plan, the PSC issued an order supporting the proposed Northeast Supply Enhancement or NESE pipeline. If built, the capacity provided by the pipeline would materially enhance reliability and resilience whilst also potentially reducing energy costs for New Yorkers by up to $6 billion. In the U.K., I'll come to regulatory development shortly. But on the policy front, the government is continuing to look at different ways to support faster delivery of infrastructure and accelerate economic growth.

Alongside their planning reform legislation targeted at large infrastructure projects which should support delivery of projects in the 2030s, they've also launched consultations, which include proposals to allow electricity distribution network operators to carry out simple reinforcement activities without full planning permission and a revised fast track consenting process. If implemented, this could have important benefits for future transmission projects. So it's clear we're seeing strong regulatory support for the investments we're making as well as the policy progress to assist in the delivery of future projects. And then thirdly, the near-term actions we're taking to support load growth in the U.K.

We're working with the government and industry, including U.S. big tech companies, as they seek to develop the U.K.'s AI infrastructure, including the creation of data centers within AI growth zones like the recently announced ones in and Cobalts Park. These projects represent tens of billions of pounds of investment in U.K. infrastructure and are evidence of the demand growth we forecast in our RIIO-T3 business plan. which is designed to connect up to 19 gigawatts of additional demand over the 5 years to March 2031, around half of which is expected to be connecting data centers.

We're now working hard to facilitate these connections, including working with the government through the AI Energy Council to support the development of more AI growth zones, so we can deliver the investment needed to meet growing energy requirements. So let me now turn to our financial performance, where we've delivered a strong set of results in the first half. On an underlying basis, that is excluding the impact of timing and exceptional items, operating profit was up 13% to GBP 2.3 billion, reflecting increased regulatory revenues across our U.S. and U.K. electricity transmission businesses. This strong operating performance drove an increase in underlying earnings per share of 6% to 29.8p.

As you've already heard, our business delivered a record GBP 5.1 billion of investment, up 12% year-on-year at constant currency. And in line with the policy, the Board has declared an interim dividend of 16.35p per share. Turning next to reliability and safety. I'm pleased to say reliability has remained strong across our U.K. and U.S. networks over the first half of the year. As we look ahead to the winter we're well prepared with winter readiness plans in place. The NESO recently published its winter outlook report for the U.K., in which they forecast electricity margins around 10%, the highest since 2019.

In the U.S., whilst we anticipate adequate electricity margins, gas availability across the coldest days of winter remain a focus, especially in extreme weather events, and so our teams will work closely with upstream suppliers to mitigate any risks. And in July, the NESO published its report investigating the outage following the fire at our North Hyde substation and we're working closely with the government, NESO, Ofgem and industry to progress the report's recommendations. Safety, as always, remains a critical focus across our business. In the last 6 months, our lost time injury frequency rate was 0.09, inside our group target.

We continue to promote a culture of safety excellence including, for example, identifying new ways to enhance our safety protocols, such as the use of digital job briefs to increase hazard recognition in the field. Moving now to our operating performance across the group, starting with Electricity Distribution. Capital investment increased by 17% and to GBP 756 million, reflecting increased asset replacement and load-related reinforcement activity. I'm pleased to say that we've now delivered over GBP 100 million of synergy savings, 6 months ahead of target following the U.K. electricity distribution acquisition in 2021. These synergies have been achieved through smarter procurement, operational efficiencies across our shared sites and integration of support functions in the group.

In October, we also saw the publication of Ofgem's sector-specific methodology consultation for RIIO-ED3, which builds on the foundations of the T3 framework. We welcome the fact that Ofgem has directed networks to use a long-term planning horizon. This will ensure that delivery of the next price control also takes into account investment drivers in the decades ahead. including load growth, asset health, resilience and renewable generation. We've also made good progress on connections reform, including preparing flexible offers to customers that are likely to secure a cue position. This allows them to progress their projects ahead of a formal offer, enabling faster connections for renewables and low-carbon technologies.

And finally, we continue to build our system -- our distribution system operator capabilities with the launch of the demand turner flexibility market, incentivizing increased demand as an alternative to curtailing generation. Moving to U.K. Electricity Transmission, where capital investment increased by 31% to GBP 1.7 billion, including construction of new substations to support load growth and progress on our GBP 1 billion London Power Tunnels project where we've now energized the first 2.5 kilometers during substation and. We've also been working hard to find innovative ways to expand system capacity.

For example, we began work on a new substation in Uxbridge Moor, West London, with an innovative design, which will have a 70% smaller footprint and avoids the use of SF6, a potent greenhouse gas. This substation will support over a dozen new data centers and is expected to deliver 1.8 gigawatts of new capacity equivalent to powering a mid-sized city. We've also leveraged the approach to procurement frameworks using our strategic infrastructure business, including, for example, in July, when we signed an GBP 8 billion electricity transmission partnership with 7 regional partners to deliver substation infrastructure across the U.K. transmission network. Turning to policy. We're working closely with NESO and customers to support connections reform.

Once NESO publishes this updated queue, we'll have a clear view of the sequencing of the specific projects required, and we can then turn our efforts to meeting these connection dates at pace. On regulation, Ofgem published its draft determination for the RIIO-T3 framework in early July, with our response published in late August. This included changes we believe are needed to the baseline return and the incentive framework to allow high-performing networks to achieve a globally competitive overall return. We've also proposed a number of refinements to streamline our funding mechanisms, enable us to recover the efficient cost of our investments and progress projects at a pace expected by our stakeholders.

As you'd expect, we've engaged heavily with Ofgem at all levels of the organization ahead of the final determination, which is expected in early December. And we expect to take a decision in late February or early March following the license drafting process. Turning now to strategic infrastructure.

As you've heard, our focus has been to ramp up delivery of the Wave 1 ASTI projects, whilst also ensuring we're securing the supply chain and relevant consents for Wave 2. specifically on our Wave 1 projects, examples of our progress include our offshore Eagle 1 and 2 projects where the cable manufacturing and site works for the southern converter stations are underway, our onshore Yorkshire Green upgrade project where the last of 8 200-ton transformers has now been delivered and the North London Reinforcement project where we finished reconducting 3 circuits, installing over 190 kilometers of cables.

We've also completed 4 public consultations this year, including the submission of 2 major development consent order applications, Sea Link and Norwich to Tilbury, with both submissions now accepted by the planning inspectorate, a major milestone. On the regulatory front, we continue to engage with Ofgem to find a resolution to our request for a delay event on the Eagle 1 project and are encouraged by the discussions to date. We expect these negotiations to reach a final decision over the next few months. Coming to the U.S. and starting with New York, where we've continued to make strong progress across our operations. Capital investment reached GBP 1.6 billion, up 5%, driven by an increase in mains replacement expenditure.

In addition, we've continued to make strong progress on our $4 billion upstate upgrade, including our Smart Path Connect transmission project, where our segment is on track to be ready to energize at the end of the year and our Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act, or CLCPA Phase 1 and 2 projects, where we expect the first round of permit approvals for the end of the calendar year. On the regulatory and policy front, in addition to the order from the PSC on the NESE pipeline and the approval of the Niagara Mohawk joint proposal, we're also engaging on the draft New York State Energy Plan.

Released earlier this year, the plan outlines long-term strategies to meet New York's energy needs. It emphasizes the importance of infrastructure investment and recognizes the enduring role of the gas network in maintaining reliability, affordability and security of supply. Once finalized later this year, the plan will influence future regulatory decisions and utility planning across the state. In New England, capital investment increased by 23% to GBP 1 billion, reflecting increased spend on asset condition and system capacity in both electricity transmission and distribution, 220,000 smart meter installations and the further rollout of our fault location isolation and service restoration program.

We've also agreed partners for our strategic procurement framework which will support over $3 billion of contracts over the next 5 years. And finally, on regulation and policy, we've agreed around $600 million of allowances under the Electric Sector Modernization Plan largely focused on electric vehicle highway charging and IT infrastructure, and we're continuing to work with the governor's office to advance the Energy Affordability Bill. Moving to National Grid Ventures. Capital investment was GBP 69 million, supporting asset refurbishment across our Interconnector and U.S. Generation portfolios. Operationally, we've had a strong 6 months with our Interconnector fleet at 90% availability and our Generation fleet achieving 96% reliability.

We've also progressed the Propel transmission project through our Transco joint venture, where EPC contracts are now under development. Once complete, the project will help to deliver power from Long Island to the Bronx in New York City and Westchester County. We've also streamlined our portfolio, having completed the sale of National Renewables in May and announced the sale of Grain LNG in August. With all regulatory approvals received, we expect completion in the coming weeks. So let me stop there and hand over to Andy to walk you through the numbers before I come back to talk about our priorities for the second half. Andy?

Andrew Agg: Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to highlight that, as usual, we're presenting our underlying results excluding timing, U.K. deferred tax and exceptional items and the dual results are provided at constant exchange rates unless specified. So starting with our overall performance in the first half. We've delivered strong results with underlying operating profit on a continuing basis at GBP 2.3 billion, a 13% increase from the prior year, primarily driven by higher regulated revenues in U.K. electricity transmission reflecting growth in the asset base and higher revenues in our U.S. regulated businesses following recent rate cases, partially offset by the sale of the electricity system operator last year.

Strong operating profit growth partially offset by higher finance costs and a full impact in the half from the rights issue shares has led to a 6% increase in earnings per share to 29.8p. We've continued to make good progress with our capital program. with investment from continuing operations at GBP 5.1 billion, another record level, and up 12% year-over-year. In line with our policy, the Board has declared an interim dividend of 16.35p per share, representing 35% of last year's full year dividend. Moving now to our business segments, starting with U.K. Electricity Distribution.

Underlying operating profit was GBP 551 million, down GBP 22 million versus the prior year. reflecting lower revenues due to headwinds from Ofgem's real price effects mechanism, which more than offset the benefit of revenue indexation and recovery of higher totex allowances and higher depreciation. In the period, we exceeded our cumulative 3-year target of GBP 100 million of synergy benefits by FY '26, 6 months ahead of schedule through leveraging our increased buying power, delivering savings from integrating support functions and working more efficiently at joint transmission and distribution sites across the U.K.

Capital investment was GBP 756 million for the half year. an increase of GBP 109 million compared to the prior period, primarily driven by higher asset replacement and refurbishment and higher load-related network reinforcement. In our U.K. Electricity Transmission business, underlying operating profit was GBP 846 million, up GBP 122 million compared with the prior period. A strong first half performance was driven by higher allowed revenues partially offset by higher depreciation. Capital investment was GBP 1.7 billion, 31% higher than the prior period. This reflects our ongoing spend on substation build-out as well as the significant step-up in investments on our ASTI projects and ASTI enabling works.

Moving now to the U.S., where underlying operating profit for New York was GBP 443 million, GBP 167 million higher than the prior year as a result of higher net revenue reflecting the growth of the business as we upgrade and reinforce our networks and the recovery of previously unremunerated costs following recent rate case updates. This was partially offset by increased depreciation, reflecting a higher asset base and higher costs, including property taxes and environmental provisions. Capital investment was GBP 1.6 billion.

This was GBP 82 million higher than the prior year. from a further step-up in the pace of our mains replacement activity under our downstate gas rate case and increased spend on smart meters, partially offset by lower costs on Smart Path Connect as we near completion of this project. In New England, underlying operating profit was GBP 292 million, GBP 65 million higher than the prior period, following higher revenues reflecting our growing asset base and improved incentive performance, partly offset by higher depreciation and other investment-related costs as we ramp up the capital program. Capital investment was GBP 958 million, GBP 178 million higher than the prior year.

This was driven by increased asset condition and system capacity investments and smart meter installations, partly offset by reduced mains replacement work. Moving to National Grid Ventures, where the underlying contribution was GBP 227 million, including joint ventures. The increase of GBP 19 million compared to the prior year was primarily due to the benefit of depreciation having ceased in Grain LNG following its classification as held for sale. This accounting treatment for Grain, along with the sale of National Grid Renewables, drove a reduction in capital investment to GBP 69 million.

And our other activities reported an operating loss of GBP 27 million, GBP 11 million lower than the prior period. principally driven by lower insurance costs and the non-repeat of fair value losses in the National Grid Partners portfolio. Turning to financing costs and tax. Net finance costs were GBP 678 million, an increase of 4% compared with the prior year due to higher average net debt and the impact of higher inflation on indexed linked debt. The underlying effective tax rate before joint ventures was 11.3%, 60 basis points lower than the prior year, principally due to the benefit of higher capital allowances in our U.K. regulated businesses. and a change in the profit mix.

Underlying earnings were GBP 1.5 billion, up 16% with earnings per share at 29.8p. On cash flow, Cash generated from continuing operations was GBP 3.6 billion, up 35% compared to the prior year. This increase is driven by improved profitability across the U.K. and U.S. and favorable movements in working capital. In total, net debt increased by GBP 1.5 billion to GBP 41.8 billion in the period with strong cash inflows from operations and the GBP 1.5 billion of National Grid Renewable sale proceeds, helping to offset the continued growth in capital investment.

For the full year, we expect net debt to increase by around GBP 1 billion from the half year. including the Grain sale proceeds and assuming a USD 1.35 exchange rate. As John said out earlier, we've continued to make significant progress in capital delivery securing the supply chain and advancing our regulatory and policy agenda. As I previously set out, our plans were designed to be robust against a range of outcomes with respect to interest and exchange rates, and I remain confident in our ability to deliver in line with our 5-year framework. Turning to forward guidance, and we've included detailed guidance for the full year in our results statement as usual.

Following strong performance over the first half of the year, we expect a modestly higher underlying EPS relative to our guidance in May. The impact of a weaker U.S. dollar and a slightly higher share count due to scrip uptake is expected to be more than offset by improved operating performance in the regulated businesses and slightly lower financing costs. With that, I'll hand you back to John.

John Pettigrew: Many thanks, Andy. Now before we move to Q&A, I want to spend the final few minutes setting out our priorities for the remainder of the year as we continue to invest across our networks. Starting in the U.S. and New York where we have a number of priorities. including further work with the state on its energy plan to shape a road map that balances decarbonization, affordability and reliability.

Ongoing work with Williams in our role as the sole offtaker of the NESE pipeline, as they look to secure regulatory approvals, which are expected later this year and preparing for our Downstate New York gas filing due for submission next spring, ensuring we're able to continue to invest in safety and reliability while supporting customer needs and managing affordability. In Massachusetts, our priorities include filing our gas distribution rate case, which is now planned for January to allow us more time to engage with new stakeholders and propose measures aligned with evolving state policy goals, working with the state on its affordability bill and producing our climate compliance plan, an important enabler of the cleaner energy transition.

Turning to the U.K. In Electricity Transmission, our priorities are clear: to engage with Ofgem to deliver a RIIO-T3 framework that allows high-performing networks to achieve a globally competitive overall return and mechanisms that enable us to deliver at the scale and pace required. Work with the AI Energy Council as part of our efforts to collaborate across the energy and tech industries, and build on the good progress we've made in ramping up construction across our Wave 1 ASTI projects, whilst also engaging closely with stakeholders and communities as we progress our development consent orders. In Electricity Distribution, our key priority is preparing our response to the RIIO-ED3 sector-specific methodology consultation ahead of Ofgem's decision expected in the spring.

And in National Grid Ventures, we have 2 key priorities: developing and winning new competitive transmission opportunities in the U.S., including an ISO-led opportunity in New England, and closing the sale of Grain LNG completing our announced divestments. Now before we take your questions, as this is my last results presentation, I want to reflect briefly on the journey I've been privileged to be part of over the past 10 years. It's been a truly transformative decade for National Grid. When I presented my first set of results back in 2016, the business looked very different with the majority of our operations in gas.

Today, we're over 3/4 electric, a fundamental shift that reflects the successful portfolio repositioning that has enabled us to pivot towards growth and a geographical footprint that is more balanced across the U.K. and the U.S. I'm incredibly proud of how we've responded as an organization to meet the needs of our customers by delivering extraordinary organic growth. We've deployed nearly 3x the level of capital investment compared to 2016, and the growth in regulated asset base is expected to be over 10% this year compared to just 4% a decade ago. Our business is incredibly strong, giving me huge confidence in National Grid's ability to continue to deliver a compelling investment proposition.

Beyond the numbers, I'm very proud to be handing over an organization where our values and the critical role we play for our customers are the driving force of our ambitions. Zoe is the right person to lead National Grid into this next chapter and I know she will find the clarity of our mission, the scale of the opportunities ahead to be a source of strength in the years to come. So let me stop there and give you the opportunity to ask Andy and I any questions.

John Pettigrew: Okay. So we've got lots of questions. So I'm going to perhaps start with Pavan from JPMorgan. And then after Pavan, perhaps I could ask Sarah from Morgan Stanley to ask her question. So Pavan, if we can have your question, please.

Pavan Mahbubani: And John, I just wanted to congratulate you on the results you've delivered during your leadership. I wish you all the best for your future beyond National Grid. So I've got 2 questions, please. Firstly, on T3 expectations? Can you give a bit more color on your dialogue with Ofgem looking at particularly some of the data points we've had earlier this year on the U.K. water CMA provisional determinations? And on do you foresee upward pressure on the return on equity? And then my second question is on net debt and the net debt guidance looks better for the full year than in May, even accounting for the proceeds of disposals.

You highlighted the working capital effect in your speech. I was wondering if you could give a bit more color on the drivers of this and whether it's sort of -- that is something that should persist into the future years? Just trying to get an idea of the basis.

John Pettigrew: Thanks, Pavan. Let me do a question one, then I'll hand over to Andy to do question 2. And thank you for your kind remarks. In terms of RIIO-T3, if I just take you back to our response to the draft determination, in that, we said very clearly to Ofgem, there were 2 fundamental areas that we wanted to focus on between the draft determination and the final determination. The first was the overall investable framework and the second was the workability of the regulatory framework.

In terms of the investment framework itself, you would have seen in our draft determination that we made the argument that we believe the overall return needs to be comparable with what we'd see internationally. And therefore, based on what was in the draft determination, we set up that we felt that the base return should be higher. I think given what we've seen in the provisional CMA decision on water and things like I think that reinforces some of the argues that we've made.

We also said as part of the financial package that we needed a lot more detail on the incentives, and that's been an area of focus since we made that response to the draft determination with Ofgem at all levels of the organization. In addition to the financial framework, we also said we needed a framework that was actually deliverable.

And in particular, what we meant by that was given the scale of the CapEx that we need to deliver we need to have the ability to be able to make decisions quickly and then to move nimbly through the process, in particular, in terms of when Ofgem sets the allowances and actually agrees that the projects are needed, that it aligns with the development framework for the projects. So that has been the focus, as you can imagine, with what, 4 weeks to go. There continues to be a lot of dialogue, but the dialogue remains in those 2 broad categories. And with that, I'll hand to Andy.

Andrew Agg: Pavan, thanks. So you remember back at year-end, we guided to an increase in net debt of around GBP 6 billion, but that was before you take account as you say, of any of the transaction proceeds. By the time you allow for the 2 disposals and the FX movement that we've seen, it's a relatively small difference, net difference compared to the sort of the GBP 1.5 billion increase that we're now guiding to after you take account of all of that.

And that small difference is a combination of the slightly higher script uptake that we've seen over the summer and as you say, a little bit of working capital, but it's relatively small in the context of our balance sheet. So I don't see that as being a significant sort of enduring shift.

John Pettigrew: Thanks, Andy. So shall I go to Sarah from Morgan Stanley next and then perhaps Mark Freshney from UBS after that. Sarah?

Sarah Lester: Firstly, a very big welcome, Zoe. It's always nice to hear another Aussie accent. And John, another very big thank you to you and wishing you all the best in the next chapter. So 2 questions from me, please. And actually, they're both on U.K. Electricity Distribution. So firstly, on the ED operational RoRE performance, please. Just wondering any further color you can provide on how that's tracking against this year's 50 basis points guide and then as we look forward, anything clearly you can please add on that pathway back to the 100 basis points.

And then quickly, a bit more on last month's SSMC ED, completely appreciate very early days, but wondering if you can add a bit more on your thoughts, please. If there was anything that surprised you in the document, or mostly, as you already mentioned, mainly just building on what we've already seen through the process.

John Pettigrew: Yes. Thanks, Sarah. I mean, in terms of the operational performance of ED, I'd say it's very much on track to where we expected to be at the half year. As you would have seen in the results, we continue to get the impact of the real price effects that we talked about in May, but we are seeing improved performance this year. So we're on track and are guiding towards the 50 basis points of outperformance this year. And we remain of the view that we'll get closer to the 100 basis points by the end of ED.

So that is very consistent with what we said in May and the performance of the first 6 months is sort of reinforcing that. In terms of the sector-specific methodology consultation, I'd say it's -- I mean it's very broad, which I think is a good thing at this stage. It very much align with our expectations. I think we were particularly pleased to see that often is set up that they intend to take a very long-term strategic view of distribution going forward over multiple price control periods and that ED3 will be set in that context.

I think we're also pleased to see that in the document, they talked about the need for the investment in distribution to stay ahead of the needs of customers. So given that we're expecting to see an increase in EVs and heat pumps and those types of things, then I think we're pleased to see that. It was very consistent in terms of its messaging in terms of the need for an investable proposition and also that the incentives for things like innovation would be important. So broad I would say it met our expectations.

It's very broad, and I think it's given us a landscape in which we can respond quite sensibly in time for the decision in the spring. Okay. So if I can move to Mark at UBS and then perhaps after Mark, we can take Dominic from Barclays. So Mark?

Mark Freshney: John, congratulations and looking forward to seeing what you'll be doing next. I have 2 questions. Firstly, looking back over the last 2 or 3 Ofgem price controls, do you feel that Ofgem have given you allowances sufficiently -- that are sufficient for you to do all of the maintenance that you would have liked to have done? And just secondly, on infrastructure in general, I mean National Grid has been the center of capital delivery in the U.K. at a time when there wasn't much of it around. Clearly, there's -- government have been clear we're not going to cut capital investment in the U.K. We're going to keep going.

What would -- what do you think the U.K. needs to do to get all of this CapEx done, not just in your area, but across the whole piece?

John Pettigrew: So thank you, Mark. So in terms of in context of the last 2 or 3 price controls and have we had sufficient allowances, I think the blunt answer to that is yes. When I look at the outcomes, which is probably the most important thing, we've continued to deliver world-class reliability at 99.69, as you know I quote quite often. But also, if I just take a broader perspective and look at the number of unplanned outages we have on the network, so unexpected failures of assets today compared to 10 years ago, that actually it's about half as many today. So actually, the overall health of the network looks very resilient and strong.

And therefore, I think we have had sufficient maintenance CapEx to do the work that we need to do. Obviously, as we look to T3, that continues to be dialogue with Ofgem as we get towards the FD. But certainly in the past, I think we've got a network that's reliable and resilient. And when I look at the data, suggests it's in a strong position. In terms of infrastructure and the broader question, I mean, for me, I think the things that are important, Mark, I think there's bipartisan recognition that infrastructure investment is a key enabler of economic growth in the U.K.

In order to do that efficiently, having stable and predictable fiscal and regulatory frameworks is really important and something that we're focused on. I think we still like to see more done around the planning regime in the U.K. The planning legislation is going through, and I think that will streamline the process. But I do think there's more opportunity to do more so that the infrastructure can be built more efficiently and more quickly to enable that economic growth. So for me, I think those are 2 things that are really important. Okay. Let me move on to Dominic. And then perhaps after Dominic, we could do Ahmed at Jefferies. So Dominic, do you want to ask your question?

Dominic Nash: Yes. Thank you, John, for your sort of decade as CEO and I think 30-ish years at Grid and also to welcome Zoe to the role and wish her all the best for the future. Two questions for me, please. Firstly, there's clearly a U.K. government focus on some sort of affordability. And within that, I think the Select Committee last week brought up network windfalls again. And I think Ofgem are now made sort of a consultant is by think beginning of 2026. So maybe you could give us an update on whether this Select Committee recommendation will change Jim's point of view on network windfalls?

And secondly, on the GBP 35 billion of that you had in your draft for RIIO-T3, there's clearly a lot of uncertainty around that. I think NESO is publishing a new connection regime shortly. And I was hoping that you could provide us color as to actually what you expect to be in it like what's going to change? And will that -- how much clarity will that actually put onto the totex number that will get published in the FD on how much that's already could be secured?

John Pettigrew: Yes. So thanks, Dominic. So in terms of the Select Committee last week, actually, it was an issue that has already been looked at. So this -- so just to be clear, the work that we've done demonstrates that we certainly not received any windfall profits. The analysis that they were talking about the Select Committee, I think, was a snapshot looking at expected inflation versus actual inflation. But if you look at it over the medium to long term, then it's very clear that there is no windfall profit. So I think that was the debate that was going on there.

Ofgem, as you know, have already looked at this issue and have concluded that it's not in consumer's interest to reopen it. So from that perspective. And I think Ofgem actually responded to the consultation already looked at it as well. So the consultation you mentioned of next spring, actually, I don't think it's got anything to do with the windfall profit. I actually think it's to do with the way that network charges are allocated through the standing charge for suppliers. And I think it's that Ofgem are looking at, so rather than the windfall profit.

In terms of the GBP 35 billion totex that you referenced, so just to be clear, so when we submitted the business plan for RIIO-T3, we said that over that 5-year period, we could spend up to GBP 35 billion, depending on basically, how quickly connections come forward. The GBP 35 billion was split out into sort of baseline CapEx, which included the traditional reliability, resilience asset help as well as those projects we had absolute certainty on but it then had a significant amount of CapEx that would be linked to the speed by which connections come forward.

What we're expecting to see over the next period is new connection offers will go out to those customers that are classed protected, which means they've got planning consent and have started construction for connections in '27, '28 in January next year. For those for 2030, it will go out in Q2 and for those beyond 2030 in Q3. So I think we're going to get a sort of a lifting of the mist over the course of next year as to exactly what connections are going to be delivered within the RIIO-T3 period.

We know to a large extent, where the sort of the primary spines of investment are, what the connections reform process will do will allow us to specifically know which substations in which locations are going to be invested. So I think we'll get a better view as we move through the course of next year, but it's going to take a little bit of time. Okay. So I'm going to move on to Ahmed at Jefferies and then Harry at BNP. So Ahmed?

Ahmed Farman: A warm welcome to Zoe in her new role. A few questions, maybe just starting out with on the T3 process. One of the other things you talked about in your response to the DD was the workability and the simplifying of the funding framework for -- and reopen decision-making. Could you give us a sense of how is the debate on that front? And if you have been -- if you're confident you'll be able to achieve the improvements you're seeking? Another topic that's been, I think, in the press and among stakeholders is the budget for auctions is out and there's some debate whether that's enough to be able to deliver on the government's offshore wind targets.

I just want to understand a little bit better how sensitive or more is the sort of the transmission CapEx plan to sort of achieving offshore wind development targets in the U.K. either T3 or T or more medium term? And then finally, just 1 for Andy. Andy, could you just give us a little bit more on the drivers for the upgrade or modest upgrade as you sort of call it, for the FY '26 outlook? You referenced regulated -- better performance in regulated businesses. I'll just love to understand that better.

John Pettigrew: Yes. Thanks, Ahmed. So start with the first question on the workability. So this was 1 of the areas that we focused on in our response to the draft determination, I mean in simple terms, as I said to Dominic's answer, quite a bit of the CapEx is going to be agreed as we move through the price control period. So as big projects are defined, then we have to go through a process of agreement with Ofgem, the pre-engineering, then off to MacGreen that it's the right project to move forward and ultimately agreeing the allowances.

And for us, what's really important is that those regulatory decisions dovetail and align with the project development time scale so that we're not left in a position where either we're having to spend in advance of getting the approval from Ofgem that it's the right project and/or we having to wait for clarity on what the allowances are. So it's very much about the workability of the framework and making sure that we've got a good drumbeat with Ofgem to allow us to deliver what is a significant level of CapEx at speed and at pace.

So that has been a lot of discussions have been had since they're after termination at the working level to make sure we've got the right framework. And of course, we'll wait to see whether we've got the right place of the FD at the beginning of December.

In terms of and the offshore wind auction, I think I'll go back to what we said in May, just to remind people that, to a large extent, we are relatively insensitive to what happens in the offshore wind auctions because Ofgem has already taken the decision that for the ASTI projects, we have a license obligation to deliver them and that it's in consumers' interest to progress those projects sort of independent of what the time scales are.

And that's partly because, of course, there's an expectation that not only will it enable the flow of increased energy across the network, but it will also reduce what is an expected significant increase in constrained costs of around GBP 12 billion. So we don't see a huge amount of sensitivity between our GBP 60 billion 5-year plan and then finally, on question 3, I'll look to Andy.

Andrew Agg: Yes. Thanks, Ahmed. In terms of the guidance, I think we said it versus our original guidance at the start of the year, we've obviously seen the 2 headwinds, firstly, from the dollar movement. So we're now guiding at 1.35 for the remainder of the year, which is, as you know, a small headwind, and secondly, with a slightly higher scrip uptake, there's an element of EPS dilution from that for the full year. But that is more than offset by a stronger operating performance from across the group, actually. I wouldn't call out any particular business unit. It is from across our regulated businesses.

And all of that means that it puts us in a net or a modest upgrade position compared to our original guidance when we look ahead to the full year.

John Pettigrew: Okay. Thank you, Andy. I'm going to go to Harry at BNP and then James at Deutsche. So Harry, we have your question, please.

Harry Wyburd: And I'll add my congratulations and all the best and also hello to Zoe. So I have 2 questions, please. The first 1 is on the U.S. Now you just had a slew of sort of Democrat election wins and New York Mayor race dominated by affordability and the cost of living. I think you've been quite clear in the past that in the U.S., you are sheltered from this debate because regulation is done at the state level, et cetera. But if there was a federal move to clamp down on energy prices in the U.S. ahead of the midterms, where do you think the pain would be felt?

And I have been clearly in mind that when this happened in Europe in 2022, it was painful across a wide range of business models, although less so in networks. So I'd be interested just to understand how you think or where the axe could potentially fall if energy prices really grew into a major, major political issue in the U.S. The second one is on T3. So looking at your consensus around the time that the draft determinations came out, there's several key uptick in expectations for FY '27, which is, I think, all of us looking at the fast money numbers and the Ofgem models have concluded that, that might bump your revenue for next year.

How comfortable do you feel with that if we just take what we've had in the draft determination, so clearly, we'll get more in December and things might look different? But if we're just looking at what we've got in the draft, do you think we are collectively as sell-side analysts being conservative enough here? And do you think that there is a rational reason that EPS might be higher next year because of the past money?

John Pettigrew: Thanks, Harry. Let me take the first question, and then I'll ask Andy to take the second. Probably just sort of a broader answer to the specifics as well, which is, so first of all, we're very conscious of the affordability debate, not just in the U.S. and the U.K. So we always take that massively into account when we think about price controls and rate cases in the U.K. and the U.S. With regards to the Mayor election, just to put that into context as well. So for New York City, they are our largest customer for our downstate gas business.

We have a huge amount of interaction with them, particularly on the construction programs because quite often, where the city is doing work, we have to move our pipelines, for example. So they're a key stakeholder. And like any key stakeholder, we will engage with them to make sure we understand how we're working together, but also what their aspirations are around, and we understand that affordability is a big issue. But ultimately, for National Grid, things like our CapEx plans and affordability sit at the state level.

And as you saw last year, we were very successful in agreeing with the regulator at the state level, a 3-year plan for NIMO of $5.6 billion which will take us right through to 2028. In terms of the sort of interaction between state and federal, I mean, for utility rates, then obviously, federal today don't have any jurisdiction. So I think in terms of the affordability debate, it would still sit at the state level. We need to be very mindful of that.

And the way we approach that as a National Grid is when we look to do a rate case and we'll do this when we do in the coming months, we'll first reach out to all our key stakeholders and understand what are their expectations, what do they want from National Grid and how does that fit in the envelope of affordability. And quite often, that will shape the capital plan that we put forward as part of the rate case. We'll also spend a significant amount of time thinking about our vulnerable customers. You might remember in our rate case, for example, we set aside $290 million to support most vulnerable customers.

And of course, we're always trying to drive the efficiency of the business through innovation as well to find more efficient ways of delivering what we need from customers. So I think for all those reasons, that's what we'll continue to do. We'll engage with stakeholders and think very carefully about what that rate case looks like in the envelope of affordability. From a federal perspective, and I think I'll reflect on what we've seen over the last 12 months, which is 1 of the key focus areas in New York, for example, has been how do you address the wholesale prices and you would have seen that the PSC has indicated they're supportive of the NESE pipeline.

Based on the analysis that we did on the NESE pipeline, not only does it improve resilience and reliability in New York, but it increases the volume of supply by about 14% and potentially has about $6 billion of benefit for New Yorkers. So I think there's an interaction between federal government when you get into things like transmission pipelines and the states that I suspect will continue to be a focus going forward. Andy?

Andrew Agg: Harry, thanks for the question. Yes, I think, obviously, this morning, you'll have heard that we've reaffirmed our 5-year frame guidance through to '29. And you remember when we set out that guidance, it was deliberately designed to be robust to a range of different outcomes as well. So I think it's important to take that into account. And clearly, at this stage, as you've heard from John, a couple of times now, our focus is working with Ofgem to ensure that we get to an appropriate final determinations. And that will be the point that we'll determine whether there is further guidance to be given, and that will be the point that we would do that.

The other thing I'd just mentioned, of course, at this stage, we're also 1 of the topics we talk to Ofgem about is the profiling of any increases of revenue and how they fall across the 5 years of the price control. So that's something else that will be part of the mix that we'll be looking at.

John Pettigrew: I'm going to move on to James at Deutsche and then perhaps we can go to Deepa at Bernstein after that.

James Brand: It's James Brand from Deutsche. Also, congrats to John and also to Zoe and good luck for the future. . I have 2 questions. The first is on demand. So you said that you were kind of positioning yourselves to be ready to connect up to 19 gigawatts of additional demand Obviously, that will be absolutely huge, particularly if it was all heat demand. What's your kind of realistic expectation of how much demand growth we might see over the next 5 years? I know there's like a lot of data center connection requests, but how much do you think we can realistically expect to be added on the data center side.

Maybe that's a difficult question to answer, but any thoughts around that would be super interesting. And then the second question is on coming back again to the energy affordability debate in the U.K. So obviously, the kind of noise around that has increased quite substantially. How do you view your own positioning in regards to that debate? I guess, potentially reasonably well protected given that you'll have the transmission price control locked in pretty shortly, and you can argue that the investments that are cutting our curtailment costs quite substantially. But longer term, is this a bit of a risk for you?

And if you were to make any recommendations for ways to put electricity bills in the U.K. given that we have pretty much the most expensive electricity bills in the developed world, what would you recommend?

John Pettigrew: Okay. Thanks, James. Let me start with the demand question. So a little bit of context. So because a lot of the demand -- a lot of the excitement is coming through the potential connection of data centers. So today, about 2.6% of all the demand that we have in the U.K. comes from data centers. You may have seen that NESO does its future energy scenarios, and it was projecting that, that could increase to about 9% by 2035. What we've seen over the last 12 months is quite a surge of requests for connections to the transmission network to support data centers and generative AI.

So in our RIIO-T3 plans, our assumption is that we're expecting to see about demand growth of around about 19 gigawatts or we're going to build the network out to support that. I think it works out at about 4% growth in demand per annum. And about half of that is assumed to be for data center demand. And that's backed up by the connection agreements that have been signed in the time frame for RIIO-T3.

So I think we feel comfortable that we've got a reasonably good handle on what the demand is going to do over the next 5 years or so. and a reasonably good handle on what's being expected in terms of growth in data center demand and where it will connect. And of course, you may have seen National Grid is working with the government through the AI Council to really identify where are the best locations in the U.K. to locate those data centers based on where is their access fair capacity today or where the time frame interconnections would be shorter than other places, which is an important determinant for data centers.

In terms of energy affordability, I think when we stand back from our position, yes, we see an increase in the transmission element of the charge as we deliver out all these ASTI projects and the RIIO-T3 CapEx but actually against the expected constrained cost net-net, it's a reduction. So in a way, us getting on with the investment is very beneficial to consumers because it ultimately reduces the cost for them. Having said that, we're very mindful the affordability is a significant issue, which is why in our business plan we set out why it's important to have incentives around innovation to drive efficiency and indeed why we propose an efficiency measure as well.

So we're very mindful of it. We're very conscious that it's a difficult time for customers. But in terms of the transmission element of the bill, I'd say we're very focused on making sure we can deliver the infrastructure to relieve those constrained costs, which result in a net-net reduction. I'm going to move to Deepa and then to Martin at BofA. So Deepa, should we take your question?

Deepa Venkateswaran: First of all, thank you so much for your service for all these years and all the best for the next steps and Zoe a warm welcome. So my 2 questions. First 1 is on the RIIO-T3 draft. where do you see the risk reward on the incentives? If not the financial returns, that's very clear, you want it to be higher than what's there. But as things stand right now, where do you see the risk reward and how close is that to the 200 bps or so you would need in order to get closer to that 10% overall nominal return?

And in your discussion so far with Ofgem, what's your sense on, are they moving in the right direction taking your feedback into account? So that's my first question. And the second one, I noticed that you are looking at U.S. transmission opportunities. And I think this is something that used to be talked about a long time back. Nothing has ever happened about it. So has there anything changed in the U.S. transmission landscape that is making you look at that again? And again, how big could this opportunity be?

John Pettigrew: Yes. Thanks, Deepa. I guess I'll put the innovation in the context of the incentives framework, which I think is really important to help me get to an overall return that we think is appropriate to give the scale of investment going forward. So actually, the work that we've been doing with Ofgem is focusing on sort of 4 key incentives. One is being incentivized to make available the connection capacity that customers want in a timely fashion. Secondly, it's about delivering the major projects as quickly as possible and being incentivized against that in the same way as we are for the ASTI projects.

Thirdly is looking at how we can reduce the cost constraints in our role as the transmission operator working with the system operator. And we've done some of that in the existing price control, and we think there's opportunity for more of that as we move forward. And then thirdly -- sorry, fourthly, it's the incentives as well. So we've been having conversations with Ofgem about that to really -- to find a framework that ideally allows us to look for opportunities to extend new technologies onto the network in a way that will reduce cost for customers.

So if I give you an example, so Dynamic Ratings is a good example that we've started to deploy in our transmission divisions in the U.K. It is new technology. It allows you to get more power down the line without having to build new lines and we think those types of incentives are going to be really important if we're going to get to the overall package that works. But we're thinking about those 4 incentives as a package and innovation is a key 1 within that.

In terms of the U.S. opportunities, you might recall, when we refined the strategy in May last year, we talked about the fact that our focus was going to be on transmission, both regulated and competitive and that we did see opportunities for transmission opportunities in the U.S. So our National Grid Ventures business has been looking at that. And I referenced in the speech this morning that one particular one on the horizon is a transmission line potentially from Maine down to New England that will help to reduce bills for New England customers that we -- the ISO is doing a solicitation on. So we're looking at that as a project.

It's obviously in a region that we are very familiar with and understand very clearly. And obviously, we've got good capabilities with National Grid Ventures. So we are seeing some solicitations for competitive transmission in the U.S. And as part of our National Grid Ventures business, we are looking at them very carefully. We will only take them forward, as we said in the past, if we could get to a view that we're sensibly positioned to be able to win them, earn sensible returns, but that is 1 that's specifically on the short-term horizon at the moment. Just looking who is left.

So Martin, if we could go to you next, I think that's the last question that I've got.

Martin Young: Right. Congratulations on the results and all the best for the future. I actually wanted to come back to this topic of potentially new opportunities in transmission in the U.S. that you referenced. Could that be something that is material in terms of investments and in terms of CapEx and presumably that would come on top of your existing guidance of GBP 60 billion? So could you just give us some perspective as to how relevant this opportunity could be? And question number two, just on hybrid bonds. We have not really seen any hybrid issuance, I believe so. Is that still part of your financing toolbox?

John Pettigrew: Thanks, Martin. I think Andy can take couple of those.

Andrew Agg: Yes. Thanks. Martin. So on the transmission opportunities, as John said, we're in the early stages of looking at these. And so we'll have to wait and see how that may or may not grow as we go forward.

But I'll remind you, if you go back to the financing strategy we set out in detail when we did the equity raise 18 months ago, we were very clear that where we do see incremental opportunities, particularly in our Ventures business, above -- that might take us above the GBP 60 billion, we would need to look for ways to finance those through the Ventures business as well in terms of potential partnering, other types of sort of off-balance sheet finance and other routes, et cetera. So i.e., it wouldn't impact our delivery or use of the equity proceeds to underpin the GBP 60 billion. And that remains absolutely the case today. In terms of hybrids, you're right.

And again, when we made our financing strategy announcements 18 months ago, we were very clear that we wouldn't expect to issue any hybrid for several years. Again, that remains the case. Hybrids remain a very useful potential tool to us. We have a lot of unused hybrid capacity. At this stage, we don't have anything in the near term as you'd expect, but it will remain a tool that we can deploy appropriately later if we think that's the right thing to do.

John Pettigrew: Thank you, Andy. So I don't have any further questions. So let me just wrap up by just saying, I guess, a summary of our half year results is good operational and financial performance in the last 6 months. I think we're very well positioned for the second half. And hopefully, you've taken away from today's presentation, we're very much on track to deliver the GBP 60 billion over the 5 years 18 months in. . This is my last results presentation. I'd like to say I'm just incredibly proud of the organization, what it's achieved over the last decade, but I'm also delighted to be handing over to Zoe who I think is going to be an incredible CEO.

So thank you, everybody, for joining us today, and I'll see some of you very soon.

This article is a transcript of this conference call produced for The Motley Fool. While we strive for our Foolish Best, there may be errors, omissions, or inaccuracies in this transcript. Parts of this article were created using Large Language Models (LLMs) based on The Motley Fool's insights and investing approach. It has been reviewed by our AI quality control systems. Since LLMs cannot (currently) own stocks, it has no positions in any of the stocks mentioned. As with all our articles, The Motley Fool does not assume any responsibility for your use of this content, and we strongly encourage you to do your own research, including listening to the call yourself and reading the company's SEC filings. Please see our Terms and Conditions for additional details, including our Obligatory Capitalized Disclaimers of Liability.

The Motley Fool recommends National Grid Plc. The Motley Fool has a disclosure policy.